Shaolin Martial Monk… This is the stereotypical impression of Eastern mysticism among Westerners, which satisfies their martial arts fantasies and is very good… You can see that Chinese Kung Fu has been fighting and killing in the game…
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Totally agree with you, we should categorise them as “factions” and then change names to something that makes more sense
Sure but can’t you just move on now? It’s been a while since the announcement, you could have elaborated the"trauma". No use whining for that same thing over and over. The variants are coming, no matter what.
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Some Chinese players really prefer Jurchen faction and complain about Zhu Xi’s Legacy a lot ,either.
Well, I tell sth diferent.
Some groups of Zhu Xi’s Confucian in East Zhejiang joined Zhu Yuanzhang’s army in the history. That might be actually “Zhu Xi’s Legacy”.However, most of them were literatis but not generals or warriors, and killed or suppressed by Zhu Yuanzhang for variety of reasons at last.Most important, all of these seem to be nothing with the DLC.
well for me aoe 2 doest have a better way to develop civs because guess what every army look the fucking same… so yeah close the door and move on.
I would like to say that game planning still doesn’t understand users’ ideas. For us Chinese players, what people want is not civil service governance or an advanced bureaucratic system, but rather a powerful army led by ancient generals such as the “岳飞Army” and “戚继光Army”. If it were designed like CHN, it would definitely sell well in China. AOE is essentially a war game with a historical theme, There is no need to be overly obsessed with economic and technological operations like “Civilization”, after all, the original CHN is already sufficient to meet these needs.
Also, we have had enough of Shaolin and Kung Fu elements.
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Funny is that now AoE4 learning AoE2, making ‘new’ civs basically the same as the old ones but with different bonuses and unique units, etc
At least AoE2 devs know how to pick a “civilization” to make
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Is better to have and european army on every civ with diferent names and 3 bonus.
Sarcasm, I hope. There’s much more identity with the asymmetry.
Name’s dont bug me. I just want them to be different enough that it makes playing even more fun
I say they should dissolve these civilizations and add their units, buildings and content to the real ones. Would pretty much be an equivalent new content package.
You can’t convince me that making OOTD, who’ll 100% have more unique units than HRE is a good idea. No, get rid of the variants and put the new content into the deserving existing underdeveloped civilizations.
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Ayyubids can be an variant and a civilization at the same time. And without an explanatory letter from the developers.
If orcs and elfes are added to the game, will you have fun too?
They can be, but that isn’t the point. The point is they’re variants, not variants and civilisations in their own right. You want them to be both, I understand that. But that doesn’t mean you can attempt to gotcha them by presenting them as civilisation names. Because they’re not guaranteed to be. Hence the label “variant”.
Well, if the parent Civs happen to fall behind, I’m convinced the Devs will do something to correct that, just like they do with balance. They have an additive approach.
I mean, it’s unlikely they’ll cut content from the OotD or Zhu Xi’s Legacy, instead they would give something to the HRE and the Chinese.
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There is no label “variant". It doesn’t exist. This is an excuse for being cheap. Which is not bad. But it has nothing to do with the narrative essence of civilization.
Can you tell me where the borders are? What are the acceptable criteria to be civ? The developers obviously don’t have any.
It literally exists:
It’s a name the developers came up with to describe this concept they’re implementing. It’s a new thing! Sure. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The devs very clearly want to differentiate between base civs, and variant civs.
The developers evidently do, otherwise we’d already have orcs and elves 
As for where the line is, I have no idea. I’m sure the developers will have taken on board the existing feedback and will be using it to refine the parameters of future designs.
Oh, shut up already.
Either you voluntarily ignore things mala fides or you are uninformed but talk anyway.
In both cases, it’s deplorable.
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WHERE??? I don’t see any labels. These civs exist with all the others. There are no differences. And the choice of the game will be for 16 civs.
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I gave you the screenshot I was working from.
If your concern is just this page, sure, I have no problem with anyone asking the developers to make it clearer. I also hope they make it clear ingame
It’s very convenient when there’s nothing to object to, you can just tell the person to shut up.