I couldn’t agree more with you about this!
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Hre is a civ.If variants are part of it then it should be added to the original civs.Like order of dragon should added to the hre via landamark.In your logic lets add a janissary variant civ to Ottomans how that sound?Does it make sense?
Most of those landmarks are copy paste of normal buildings i think you dont know what you are talking about.Those new units are copy paste of some parts of mongol soldiers some say they directly took it from campaign units
Im not trying to prove anything you are trying to prove that your money didnt go waste.What false information chinese units and landmarks are copy paste,that dragon thing is just units with different colors,jeanne they have some units there but its all the same france,only ayyubids can be saved by reskining its landmark.Also beside ayyubids none of them are civ.
It’s not possible to add it under the HRE civilization as that would require to change the whole of HRE civilization which would not only upset a lot of players but also would be a stupid way of handling it by the developers.
Instead what they have done is to take the historical civilization of HRE in this case and explored even further with those ideas, while still remaining as true to history as possible which they have done for the most part. All the variant civilizations are either focused around historical people and/or group of people such as the Order of the dragon which was a real thing.
Of course now being a video game they have to take certain liberties to make it fun and interesting but that’s something not unique to just AoE4.
We clearly are viewing different screenshots then because judging by the information given by the developers as well as those under NDA all the variant civilizations feel different enough to be called a new civilization.
I’ll just quote the developers on this one as they explain it well:
" A Variant Civilization is a modified version of a classic civilization that you already know and love from the core game. They offer new gameplay elements and strategies, while keeping the familiarity and identity of the classic civilization intact. Variant civilizations are not designed to replace the classic civ they are derived from but instead provide an alternative way to play."
For more information check: The Sultans Ascend: Variant Civilizations Deep Dive - Age of Empires
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You are avoiding my question if we add janissaries as a Ottoman variant civ does that make sense?
here watch this it shows which are copy paste:
Its obvious devs failed at variant civs.
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I am not ignoring your question, I am answering them but you are ignoring them on purpose because they don’t fit your argument that you are so set in stone to defend regardless of all the proof that I’ve shared to you that contradicts most of the things you have said in all of your posts.
I’ve watched the same video some time ago and from what I gathered from him is to not be taken serious, he spends most of his time making fun of a name for a variant civilization, while being clueless at what he’s talking about.
He also stated an apology for being so negative and for what he said, check the comment sections. Anyway, I’m done talking to someone who already has set his mind on hating something without even trying it, regardless of all the information out there as well as the trustful sources that talk about this expansion under NDA.
Said the person who hasn’t played the expansion, and the person listening to him shares the same thoughts. Yeah I see no connection here at all.
Anyway, take care buddy!
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Because the established timeline of the game and existing civs is about 800-1650, roughly 800-900 years and all of these variant civs miss this timeline by a wide margin. I expect full civilizations to meet this criteria. Anything else that doesn’t but has a compelling story can just be added as a campaign.
Look at it this way:
Dark Age would be ~800-1000
Feudal Age would be ~1000-1200
Castle Age would be ~ 1200- 1400
Imperial Age would be ~1400+
Having a civ based on Joan of Arc who lived from 1412-1431 and was only prominent for the final 3 years of her life feels a bit silly. Dark Age 1429, Feudal 1430, Castle 1431 Imperial - after death? It doesn’t work. The order of the dragon wasn’t founded until 1408 so it also misses the majority of the game’s timeline. The Ayyubids are probably the best of these variants. They were established in 1171 as a confederation under the Abbasid Caliphate. I mean they still miss a lot of the timeline. Finally, I don’t even know what Zhu Xi’s legacy/Jade Empire even are but they weren’t an actual empire so yeah idk.
Quality over quantity is huge for me, I’d have been fine with them stopping at 12 really good civs that fit the timeline or would be happy waiting another year or so for new ones that are well thought out, well designed, and fun to play. As it is, the variant civs aren’t really “empires”, and are unsalvageable in terms of fitting into the established timeline for the game. Hopefully they are at least fun to play.
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Yes, the devs literally cover this in their blog post about variants.
Again, variants aren’t meant to be (as) historical as the core / full civs, and given that you’re free to dislike them. But given that, “but they’re not historical” isn’t going to change anything. You’re correct! That’s kinda the point of them!
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Yes, the devs made a blog post trying to explain their transparent money saving scheme. What is your point? Their ideas are still complete garbage and people want the civs to be added to represent actual empires, not to recycle 50% of their design from civs we already have.
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Alrighty then. Agree to disagree.
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How can they provide more content than anyone expected with this expansion while at the same time be greedy by the so called “transparent money saving scheme”.
And they are garbage even though you haven’t tried them? How do you know? At least from the information out there and all under NDA it sounds that everyone for the majority like what they see with this expansion. That should provide at least some validity.
Why is the expansion vastly appreciated by the community in general anywhere you go if people want to see “actual empires” being represented? Why can’t we have both if they are fun and done right?
The only true controversial thing has been some of the names of the variant civilizations to some extent I agree as well, but other than that it’s mostly appreciated content wise and that we are getting so much with this expansion for a reasonable price.
It’s called spin. They came up with a poorly conceived concept to save a bunch of money (they can’t even come up with names that make sense) and then come out with statements where they pretend this was the plan all along.
What people say with an NDA in place is completely meaningless, basically all they are allowed to say is that they like it.
The majority of the community is angry that we paid a bunch of money for a game that was released a year before it was ready and that we are now being asked to pay additional money to make worse. These idiots killed off the majority of the player base on day one when they released a beta and pretended it was a full game. Now, they are coming up with obvious ways to save money by recycling content and only gullible people like you are buying it. Everyone else moved on already. Also, I was expecting to pay $10 or $15 for two new civs, throwing in 4 garbage ones that ruin the game doesn’t make me feel like I’m getting a good deal. I’d pay $100 to keep them out.
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If your only discussion tactic is “the people who disagree with me must be lying / being told to lie”, I guess it’s not agree to disagree after all.
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you are just gonna say yes or no it can be hard you know i defeated you now you are making unrealistic assumptions.So i ask again if we add janissaries as a Ottoman variant civ does that make sense?
Did you watch the landmark parts which he shows the copy paste,which you claim there isnt anything like that
Devs are failed its the truth they should have made realistic civs
I am not making any assumptions, I base all my statements on pure information that is available to us on the website as well as all people who actually have tried this expansion. You are just blindly hating on this game and trying to make up ridiculous arguments to try and justify your reasoning.
You can’t just add the janissaries and call it a variant civilization, there is so much more that goes into making a variant civilization but it’s hard for someone like you to understand that part as I’ve mentioned it many times by now.
This with the janissaries is as silly as your vodka variant idea. Troll comment again.
I’ve said that each landmark given is a new landmark which does unique things that no other civilization has in the game at the moment. They are a variant civilization after all, so reusing some assets while making them different and new is a part of the process and make sense too.
You are just so desperate to find anything to hold your weak argument at this point so I’ll stop talking to you as this conversation leads to nowhere.
Bye bye, enjoy hating on this game and the rest of the player-base will enjoy this game and expansion when it finally arrives!
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So you finally accept that those ones arent variant civilization because they are same with janissaries.
If that a excuse to reuse some asset then dont do the variant civ.If you are gonna do that give them original landmarks.
You’re too wrapped up in the names. They fill all criteria for a civilization in the game.
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This “ZXL” variant civilization seems strange to use images of Shaolin monks. Perhaps Devs, due to sales considerations, will use this type of image to attract Western players because they are more interested in mysterious martial arts from the East. However, I think more other types or better images can also be used to choose from. This’ ZXL 'is a militarized Chinese civilization, if Devs lacks inspiration, I can provide some.
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I want to talk about this part, I’ll give you an example, then tell me if you find it honest or if you disagree :
I really appreciate Minotaurs in Age of Mythology. I had a lot of fun playing greeks on this game. Still, do I want to have a DLC which brings Minotaurs in Age of Empires 4 ? No, of course, because it is out of context, and even if Minotaurs are fun, it’s nonsense to have them in a historical game.
I know that this example is kind of exagerated, but it’s my feeling on civilizations like Jeanne d’arc or Zhu Xi Legacy. Their gameplay will probably be interesting and fun, BUT I feel disappointed of having such historical inaccuracies and false information (Aoe4 devs wanted, at the release of the game, and even after the first DLC, to propose an experience which cuts with the other AoEs : historically accurate).
Then, to sum up my thoughts :
AoE with less content but historically accurate > AoE with more content but fantasy content
because
Aoe with Fantasy = Age of Mythology.
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To me it’s not historical inaccuracies because as I’ve stated many times already, all of the variant civilizations are based around historical people and/or group of people which is a part of current civilizations in the game.
All they are doing is expanding on those civilizations, and focusing more on certain parts of said civilization because there is room for more gameplay options to be had in this game. I don’t see how you comparing a historical person or a group of people like the order of the dragon to minotaurs from Age of mythology that is fantasy driven game has anything related whatsoever.
The way I see the variant civilizations are they are still part of history from the original civilization they come from, and they provide with new strategies and gameplay in order to be called a new civilization.
To me this just shows the amount of work that has gone into this expansion, and we should be praising them for this especially when the price is only 15 US dollars. Some skins in Dota cost more than this.
Again, the name issue is subjective and I can understand that not everyone will like them, but what I 100% disagree with is the notion that the variant civilizations are not historical accurate and that they are copy paste of other civilizations etc. That’s just all lies and poor arguments to try prove a point thats already weak.
I guess we shall agree to disagree on this topic.
Bro you dont need to give minatour example.If we add janissaries as a variant civ for Ottomans does it make sense?Or druids as a variant civ for english does those make sense?No so why the hell jeanne,zhu xi or order of the dragon make sense.
I completely agree with you.They break the fabric of the game.