I always though that details like that tend to be overlooked for the sake of fun. After all, we have things like the Incas using llamas as villagers in the Community Plaza.
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Persia, Siam, Burma
also 2 missing ones are
Viet, if Korean is even an option, then Viet should be
Malay, a mix of several sultanates
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Persia and Korea seem like the best options for a new DLC, although personally, I would also like to see a DLC featuring the Empire of Brazil civilization, just to step away a bit from the European presence.
Distinct lack of European options here. Wallachia and something vaguely Crimean/Ukrainian would be my preference. Eastern Europe needs some love. Vlad the Impaler is roundabout the best material a campaign designer could ever have.
In the absence of that, Persia would be fairly solid.
Austria would be better rolled into Germany via the revolt system as a different endgame imo. But I’d still be happy to see it.
Wouldn’t hate to see Korea/Siam as a DLC combo.
Bolivia and Colombia have a tonne of relevant history to build upon and would be neat in the USA/Mexico archetype. But I suspect this would have less mass appeal.
Yes, that is intended. We have all major European empires of modern time (except Austria).
Later countries, basically from Ottoman empire, could be featured as revolts (Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria…)
If that’s the case, it’s unfortunate that the intention would be to exclude civilisations which were involved in extremely impactful historical events which have extremely far-reaching consequences in the modern world. Especially if that intent would then prioritise cultures which, bluntly, had very little if any effect on world history in their actions during this period.
I’d strongly argue that the historical relevance of certain civilisations (for example, Poland) is much more marketable than that of others (for example, the Hausa). I also strongly believe that this is not only the reason for the poor sales of the African DLC, but by extension the reason we nearly never saw any further development of this game.
Reasons for including one civ or another will be always subjective.
Prussia is a very important kingdom that has been included as revolution. Most eastern kingdoms (Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria) had their independence from Ottoman empire on XIX century, so they fit perfectly the revolt mechanic. That is not downplaying their historical importance, but is how I see that they could fit.
Yeah, we have USA and Mexico as postcolonial civs they started on late XVIII and XIX century. Although I’m not very fond of them, LATAM states covered a big chunk of territory and we have already some postcolonial civs.
As I said in another post, I think that revolution civs could fit very well in the new independence mode as hybrid/variant full civs, but I guess that we wont have them.
My Wishlist and Order
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Overlords of the Middle East a. Persia
b. Oman
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Flames of the Mediterranean a. Morocco
b. Egypt
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Storm over Guinea a. Ashanti
b. Yoruba
c. Kongo
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Icebound Tempest a. Mongols (Dzungar)
b. Tatars (Siberia)
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Knights of Inner Asia a. Uzbek
b. Kazakh
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ABC Hegemony a. Brazil
b. Argentina
c. Chile
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Andean Renaissance a. Gran Colombia
b. Peru–Bolivian Confederation
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I chose:
Persians/Safavids (even though technically they are represented in the AOE II Persians campaign)
Moroccans (They have civ assets already in the Battle of the 3 Kings historical battle)
Australia (could be a civ, could be a revolution?)
I would also like to have possibly Canada as a 4th option not listed (same mechanic of Provinces + Yukon & NWT as for US & Mexican states)
why “knights” for this civs?
Viets, Koreans, Egyptians/Mamelukes, Marathas, Safavids, Oman, Kongo, Zulu, Ashanti, Maoris, Cree, Comanche… EVERYTHING
Assuming Colombia represents the revolutionary republics that formed between 1808 and 1819 in the northern South America region and that it also represent the period in which the Republic of Colombia was huge (aka. Gran Colombia) between 1819 and 1831, you could easily have the following states included for each age transition:
- Age II:
- Cartagena (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Cartagena of 1810, as well as the Free State of Cartagena that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1820 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Bolívar within Colombia.)
- Caracas (representing the separatist juntas of the Province of Caracas of 1808 and 1810, as well as one of the early federal provinces that joined the First Republic of Venezuela in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1830.)
- Quito (representing the separatist junta of 1809, the State of Quito created in 1812, and later on the Province of Quito which was part of (Gran) Colombia from 1822 to 1830.)
- Cumaná (representing the separatist junta of the Province of New Andalusia of 1810, as well as one of the early federal provinces that joined the First Republic of Venezuela in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1830.)
- Valle del Cauca (representing the separatist junta of the City of Cali of 1810, as well as the Confederated Cities of Valle del Cauca that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1811. Currently a department within Colombia.)
- Age III:
- Cundinamarca (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Santa Fe de Bogotá of 1810, as well as the Free State of Cundinamarca that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1814 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1820 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Cundinamarca within Colombia.)
- Socorro (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Socorro of 1810, as well as the Free State of Socorro that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1812 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1820 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Santander within Colombia.)
- Tunja (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Tunja of 1810, as well as the Republic of Tunja that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1820 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Boyacá within Colombia.)
- Barinas (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Barinas of 1810, as well as one of the early federal provinces that joined the First Republic of Venezuela in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1830.)
- Margarita (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Margarita of 1810, as well as one of the early federal provinces that joined the First Republic of Venezuela in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1830.)
- Age IV:
- Antioquia (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Antioquia of 1810, as well as the Free State of Antioquia that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1820 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Antioquia within Colombia.)
- Mariquita (representing the separatist junta of the Province of Mariquita of 1810, as well as the Free State of Mariquita that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1814 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1820 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Tolima within Colombia.)
- Chocó (representing the separatist juntas of the Province of Chocó of 1810, as well as the State of Chocó that evolved from it in 1811 and that later joined the United Provinces of New Granada as a federal state in 1813 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1820 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Chocó within Colombia.)
- Barcelona (representing the separatist junta of the City of New Barcelona of 1810, as well as one of the early federal provinces that joined the First Republic of Venezuela in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1830.)
- Mérida (representing the separatist junta of the City of Mérida of 1810, as well as one of the early federal provinces that joined the First Republic of Venezuela in 1811 and later on being a province of (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1830.)
- Age V:
- Panamá (representing the separatist movements against Spain in Panamá around 1820 and its subsequent incorporation into (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1903.)
- Quayaquil (representing the Free State of Guayaquil created in 1820 and its subsequent incorporation into (Gran) Colombia from 1822 to 1830.)
- Maracaibo (representing the colonial Province of Maracaibo and its subsequent incorporation into (Gran) Colombia from 1821 to 1830.)
- Santa Marta (representing the colonial Province of Santa Marta and its subsequent incorporation into (Gran) Colombia from 1821 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Magdalena within Colombia.)
- Popayán (representing the colonial Province of Popayán and its subsequent incorporation into (Gran) Colombia from 1821 onwards. Currently known as the Department of Cauca within Colombia.)
Moreover, adding Colombia as a civilization would allow for the introduction of various other Latin American nations as revolutions, in a similar way in which the current Mexican civilization works in-game. It could include the following revolutions in each age:
- From Age I to Age II
- Cundinamarca (representing the Free State of Cundinamarca that existed from 1811 to 1816, whose territories were later incorporated into (Gran) Colombia in 1819 after being reconquered by Spain from 1816 to 1819.) Can “rejoin” the main (Gran) Colombia civilization the next age.
- Venezuela (representing the First and Second Republics of Venezuela that existed from 1811 to 1814, whose territories were later incorporated into (Gran) Colombia in 1820 after being reconquered by Spain from 1814 to 1820.) Can “rejoin” the main (Gran) Colombia civilization the next age.
- From Age II to Age III
- New Granada (available to Cundinamarca only.) (It represents the United Provinces of New Granada that existed from 1811 to 1816, whose territories were later incorporated into (Gran) Colombia in 1819 after being reconquered by Spain from 1816 to 1819.) Can “rejoin” the main (Gran) Colombia civilization the next age.
- Florida (representing the Republic of the Floridas, which was a failed attempt by the privateer Gregor McGregor sent by revolutionaries from New Granada and Venezuela to liberate the Spanish colony of Florida and establish a Republic that could later on join (Gran) Colombia. It only lasted 6 months in 1817.)
- From Age III to Age IV
- Bolivia (derived from the period in which Bolivia was in a personal union with Colombia under the presidency of Simón Bolívar in 1825, as well as the Colombian armies that were sent to fought the Spanish in Bolivia and help in the creation of the Republic of Bolivia.)
- Perú (derived from the period in which Perú was in a personal union with Colombia under the presidency of Simón Bolívar between 1824 and 1827, as well as the Colombian armies that were sent to fought the Spanish in Perú and help in the creation of the Republic of Perú.)
- From Age IV to Age V
- Venezuela (representing the State of Venezuela that declared independence from (Gran) Colombia in 1830 and formed the contemporary country of Venezuela afterwards.)
- Ecuador (representing the State of Ecuador that declared independence from (Gran) Colombia in 1830 and formed the contemporary country of Ecuador afterwards.)
- New Granada (representing the Republic of New Granada, the legal successor to (Gran) Colombia after Venezuela and Ecuador declared independence in 1830.)
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I’m surprised Persia is leading by such a wide margin…
Not surprising at all tbh.
I’m honestly disappointed about Burmese not getting enough attention.
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Canada and Scotland are not among the voting options…
I can maybe understand Scotland, but why Canada?
me too, I also thought Korea would get more votes. Don’t get me wrong I expected Persia to be among the top, but as it is right now they’re leading by quite a lot
because it is a huge marketing market…
Only 3 voting options per person, so I guess it makes sense that most people will agree Persia deserves to be in the game over, for example, Brazil and Korea
I had to give up voting on Tupi, but I’m surprised nobody else voted for them
No it’s not. And being from somewhere doesn’t automatically mean you want that place to be a civ.