Obviously yes, the latest updates significantly changed Germany.
Also yes.
Pre-update the problem with Germany was that it wasn’t German. It could have easily been changed into Austria with only superficial changes that didn’t impact gameplay.
Post-update Germany has different problems. They’ve actually put some solidly German references into it, but in doing so they’ve tried to pack way too many conflicting units into the civ. It’s now bloated with unnecessary complexity and redundancy.
Adding Prussia solves either of these issues. The original Germans could be given an Austrian theme while still keeping their old characteristics. The redundant new units could fill out Prussia’s roster instead. Prussia has a lot of potential to be a fun and interesting civ and represents the Germans of the northern states instead of a mulit-ethnic Danubian empire. The historical rivalry between Austria and Prussia is also completely ignored by merging the civs.
Except, which has many times be said, it was. Civs are people groups, so they are Germans and every unique flavor is German or German and historically related.
Except, looking at pre-update, as I havent played with post update Germans, it isnt the Austrian Empire at all? The only unit which with odd logic you could connect to this is the war wagon as it was Bohemian, except war wagons were used by the Hussites and that was in the time that Bohemia wasnt part of the Habsburg lands yet. Also stop using Danubian Empire as thats just idiotic.
You mean the redundent units which have no new unique flavor? What a blend and boring civ that will be a waste of civ slot.
Isnt needed as you know its a rts, not a grand strategy game. Also its the GERMANS you are playing. Its like saying Naples should be added, which would be just as much of a waste of a civ slot as Prussians.
Correction, issues that are non existend and you made up or can be fixed way more easily, like just removing some of the new units to historical battles and such.
Except for half their units being non-German. Right now they’re a monstrosity of Germans, Bohemians, Poles, Hungarians, and more.
There is a civ that could cover all that and it’s Austria. They had a Danubian empire that covers nearly all the peoples of central Europe. Prussia was the unifier of Germany so it could be the actual representation of the Germans.
The units don’t have to be functionally the same as what just got crammed into Germany. Landwehrs would probably make the most sense being in a musketeer role.
there is really no polish units in the german roster. people are purposfully lying to themselves when they say uhlans are polish, they were used by most german states regardless of origin just like hussars werent just hungarian or dragoons french, people adapted and often improved upon others units.
You conveniently left out the last part of my sentence, German related.
HRE, really just stop and for once look up the Holy Roman Empire and stop spreading lies. War wagon isnt Austrian, its Hussite Bohemian. Bohemia didnt become Hasburg untill 1526, war wagons werent used anymore by them at that point. You know what Bohemia was part of? HRE.
Hungarians? Which unit? Poles? Uhlans are a unit type and used by numerous countries, like someone else pointed out do you think Hussars are all Hungarian?
wow yet another “unique” musketeer? Thats the problem with the devs adding so many units, uniqueness tends to run out at some point and we already pasaed that point ages ago.
The Hungarian revolution only makes sense for Austria. It isn’t German and wasn’t part of the HRE.
If you split Germany, the only reasonable options are Austria and Prussia. There are zero substantial references to Prussia in any of the iterations of Germany (leader and home city are irrelevant to gameplay and can easily be shifted to a different civ). Therefore it would make sense for the current Germany to be renamed Austria if a Prussian faction were ever added.
I don’t know why you’d expect any super unique units out of a European civ. The potential for uniqueness with Prussia would be through other mechanics like sharing the state adding age ups of USA and Mexico. Those style of civs are by far the most intricate and interesting to play. It could also have other unique features to mirror their history. It was an “army with a state”, so maybe they could be hampered with slower villager production which is offset with some other advantage.
How many times does it need to be said before something gets through to you? You play as the GERMANS and hmmm lets see what you said yourself:
Oh so Austria also has Germans? Well how convenient. Austria is ruled by Germans, you know GERMANS and you play as GERMANS is that good enough to explain Hungarians? You dont play as just HRE, you play as GERMANS, just like how you play Italians not Savoyans or Venetians.
Sweden has USA as revolt, so did Sweden ever have the USA as colony? noooo it didnt it had Delaware for a short time period.
A reference ≠ gameplay value.
References:
Frederick the Great
Berlin
Needle gunners
Uhlans (both Prussia and Austria)
Protestant church architecture (idk this one is hard to tell)
In total there are more non-Austria references then there are.
You know what is funny on these forums? One time I have to argue that Germans include all Germans to someone who says its just Prussia and the other time I have to argue that Germans include all Germans to someone (you) who says its just Austria. Ironic.
I have never once said it is just Austria. My point is it is not Prussia in any meaningful way so if you move all Prussian elements into a different civ, then nothing would need to change.
Frederick, Berlin, and Needle gunners are extremely superficial and require no additional effort to change if Prussia were added.
The references to Austria are more substantial.
The unique church upgrades are extremely specific to Austria
The units are multi-ethnic (à la Austria-Hungary)
The actually German units are all south German
The revolution options come from Austrian origins
The Habsburgs were more dominant in the HRE
Not all of these things are just Austria, but most are solidly not Prussian.
I agree with you, but I think that ship has sailed, indeed the current germans civ is more Austrian than Prussian don’t think there’s a chance for Prussia to be a full Civ. You can make them more prussian by shipping cards.
But I do think Prussia could be a revolution, like Revolutionary France is for French could fit and make sense.
It might as well change the March Revolution from a card to a revolution option (maybe named Unified Germany), which changes the double-headed eagle flag to the black-red-yellow tricolour.
The devs have been explicitly against splitting Germany so the ship has pretty much sunk.
Unfortunately a Prussian revolution makes zero sense. Prussia is an autocratic monarchy. Definitely not a something that is the result of a revolution. The revolutionary winds in Germany were blowing towards unification but that doesn’t work as well when you’re already starting out as “Germans”. I don’t think we’ll get anything more than the new March Revolution card.
Just because the (duke of) king in Prussia was an autocrat doesn’t mean he wasn’t revolting against the Kaiser.
Germans are unique in the AOE3 timeline is that were two reichs, the first being the Austrian holy roman empire which basically disbanded, and the Prussian led german empire that came some time after the HRE was disbanded.
