Good meme! It’s 2026 still relevant
Wait, since when do they have hair in this meme. I have only seen the bald one until now
Why did they switch Spanish but not Persians. Or is my memory flawed, I think Spanish had a different set back in AoC
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I found this one. And used as template.
Someone also asked for the template in reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe2/s/GBi0Ty1dJr
As I am banned there, my reply might not be seen by them. Mind sharing the template on above reddit comment?
Spanish and Byzantines both got a change of buildings with DE.Both moved to the mediterranean set.
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Sorry, can’t help, I am banned too
Do they not know that this will only make things worse? It increases sympathy.
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Reddit is an echo chamber that allows no dissent on any topic, except for a small minority of subreddits. It’s just as well you were banned, because it’s extremely toxic.
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I think the description suggests that the account has been suspended by Reddit itself, not by the AoE subreddit
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He probably commited “wrong think”, how dare he voice his opinion. I might be projecting here
You’re not projecting. Reddit is set up in such a way that if everyone doesn’t have the exact same opinions on anything that’s considered to be important, they’ll be either mass downvoted or banned from a subreddit or the whole site.
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I’ve been looking up the Central Asian Architecture style.
According to AoE-Wikipedia the architecture style is based on Bukhara and Samarkand.
https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Architecture_set_(Age_of_Empires_II)
Bukhara
Bukhara with its muslim religious and cultural/social complexes with blue roofs was build in the 12th century by Arslan Khan, a son of Ghengis Khan.
In the 14th century, Timurid made Bukhara the capital of his Timurid Empire.
For example Po-i-Kalyan - Wikipedia
Samarkand
It is unsure when Samarkand was found. But during the Persian Achaemenid Empire, the city of Samarkand was the capital of a satrapy called Sogdiana. Sogdia - Wikipedia
It was conquered by Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Achaemenid Empire. Thus it already existed, and is not Persian in origin.
The locals spoke Sogdian, which is familiar to todays Yaghnobi language. Which is a Turkic language. Thus it is better to consider the Sogdians as a Turkic people.
Around 999AD the city of Samarkand was under rule by the Samanid Empire, a persian empire from Khorasan.
The Persians are originally from todays southwest Iran, while the Tatars in AoE2 resemble the Timurids and Tatars from todays Uzbekistan.
Here is a map of ancient times far before Christ.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Young_avestan_geography.png#/media/File:Young_avestan_geography.png
The Persians currently use the Middle Eastern/Arabic architecture style in the game.
https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Architecture_set_(Age_of_Empires_II)
The Persian Castle for example seems to be based on Sassanid architecture. Rather than Medieval Persian architecture.
That makes the Persians as we know them an early civilization like the Romans, Goths, Celts, Wu, Wei, Shu. And not a Middle/High Medieval civilization or a late medieval civilization.
Same goes for the Persian Wonder, which is based on the Taq Kasra.
Which is a Sasanian/Sasanids construction.
Thus the question would be, which civilization or who recided in Persia during the Medieval times, after the Sasanids.
As you stated Isfahan and Persian domes. These were buildings build by the Mongols who recided in Bukhara and Samarkand. And later the Tatars/Timurids. Hence the Persian domes were build by Mongols.
As said in the Persian domes link you posted, there was the Seljuk Empire present from Uzbekistan to Iran and Turkey, and during them there was also the Abbasids.
Isfahan is build by the Seljuk Turks Great Seljuk architecture - Wikipedia
Until the 1400 the Persians should also represent the Kwarazms, Saffarids, Khorasan.
But there were also the Abbasids there until around that time but they then moved on to Egypt to continue their existence there.
In 1400 the Timurids came to power. So they are present in this region in the late medieval period.
Thus what we face is a timeline. Starting from the time of Christ, the game starts with the early civilizations when the Sassanids were neighbours with the Romans. Hence making the current Persians civilization an early civ.
Then the Seljuk Turks instated themselves and moved westward until 1400. The Mongols also took over during this time and stayed as rulers and kept them as vassals.
For then the Timurids/Tatars to take over in 1400.
The Architecture style you are taking about should then be shared with the:
- Persians, as the ancient origin of this architecture set
- (Seljuk) Turks, as their early architecture set because in Turkiye they settle themselves
- Tatars, as the late civlization thus their later ages should have this style for sure
What we miss is an Abassid civilization. Because their architecture does represent the current “Middle Eastern/Arabic” architecture style in the game.
Even the Saracens wonder belongs to them.
Looking into the name Saracens, it seems to be an old european slang for Arabic people.
Okay they do represent the Abbasids according to wiki.
So yea i agree, the Persians should have the Central Architecture set. But so should the Turks!!
And the Middle Eastern/Arabic Architecture Set is really only a thing for Saracens and the Moors.
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“The Turks” civ does not cover pre-Seljuk-era Turks, as far as I know.
They do https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Turks
" Thousands of Seljuk Turkic riders poured out of Central Asia, thrusting into Persia and Mesopotamia during the 11th century. Challenge the mighty Byzantine Empire and battle Crusaders with mobile mounted armies, survive the Mongol onslaught, and establish the legendary Ottoman Empire."
" The Turks are a Middle Eastern[note 1] civilization in Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings, representing the Turkic people west of Persia/Iran (called “Turkish” people). The Turks are based on the Oghuz Turks which included various Turkic dynasties (i.e. Seljuk Empire, Sultanate of Rum, and the Ottoman Empire)."
" Other Turkic civilizations in Age of Empires II are:
Tatars, representing the Turkic and Turco-Mongolic people in Central Asia.
Cumans, representing the Turkic peoples who lived on the Eurasian steppes between the 10th and 13th centuries."
https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Sipahi_(Age_of_Empires_II)
" Sipahi (Ottoman Turkish: سپاهی, Persian: سپاهی, lit. “Cavalryman”), also pronounced Sipahi, is the term used to refer to heavy cavalry of the Seljuks, and later almost every kind of regular Ottoman cavalry"
Edit: the page also refers to the AI name Alp Arslan, this one was already in AoK. And there is several other early Seljuk names from the 11th century as AI names. There is even two persian names: Sultan Ahmad Sanjar and Tughril Beg.
Before DE they also had the AI name " Atsiz the Khwarezmian".
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They don’t even cover the Oghuz Yabgu era, apparently, so Central Asian architecture is hard to justify.
But if there will be toggleable regional unit skins, I would ask for the Central Asian ones, not the Middle Eastern ones.
Yes, indeed, there you have Manzikert and Tamar’s campaign where the Seljuk Turks appear…
I hope this meme makes sense. I wanted to meme this scene, and this topic was the first thing I thought of.
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I will reply @Tyranno13 's comparison shots here.
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