Both for stealing boars and killing sheep, you will lose HP on your scout. This puts you at quite a big disadvantage in terms of scouting since your scout will die in the dark age scout fight or is weaker for fighting in the feudal age. Also, this isn’t any old scout, it’s your only auto-scout.
I’d say that’s high enough risk.
Well since the enemy scout has to be next to his sheep in order for you to be able to kill them, not steal them, he can get a few hits in with his scout while you’re hitting the sheep. Obviously not as much HP lost as with a boar but then it’s a difference of 200 food vs 680 food so seems fair enough.
Did you follow most pro tournaments in the past? Most tournaments have a rule that bans laming, or otherwise laming is a huge part. Viper even said so after winning Hidden Cup. He felt the power of laming in the final. It made the games much more easier to him.
A bit of micro and you can do this pretty much without real damage. So still worthwhile and a no brainer to just kill the sheep. Thus the balance is off.
I’ve been following them for a bit over a year now. I can’t remember what the settings were for all of them, HC2 laming was allowed and didn’t make a big impact, NAC3 laming was banned (although 1 hit lame was possible), HC3 it was allowed and made a difference. Perhaps because DE with less lag made it easier, idk.
“A bit of micro” can’t stop you getting hitting a couple times while you’re killing the sheep. The initial scout fight can be a deciding factor so imo this could be pretty big. I’d be interested to see how this situation would play out in a pro game though since I can’t remember seeing it before.
I think you have a lot longer to react to stolen sheep vs killed sheep. If sheep have to walk all the back across the map (possibly not just through the middle/shortest route to avoid enemy finding their sheep again) you have plenty of chances to intercept and/or engage the enemy scout (if they plan to keep the sheep).
If they’re killed it’s just food lost for you, and if anything if you image the impact you get vs the time you put in to achieve it, killing the sheep is probably better. You could also click enemy sheep into the corner of the map either, but there is a chance they might find them again.
However in a lot of pro games I’ve watched, they don’t notice their sheep are missing at first and assume they have just not scouted them yet. By the time they realise it’s usually too late.
Scout killing sheep has only happened to me once. I will admit that it enraged me, but is one of my favorite games to remember because I went on to keep constant infantry pressure until he resigned. Angering BM tactics can be okay.
Point taken about OP but several have mentioned boars, including you. Also, I see comments and suggestions, not an argument.
If killing animals with the Scout became a common strategy at the beginning of the game i would find that takes away from the fun. Bottom line is that if it’s equally available to all players regardless of civ, and most players are ok with it, then I’d accept that.
I made comparisons of killing sheep to laming boars, I didn’t suggest any nerfs to boar laming.
I think what a lot of people don’t seem to get is that it’s very unlikely you’ll actually find an enemy scout next to sheep far from their TC, meaning you’d be able to kill their sheep. It’s far more likely you’d find a boar or steal sheep so I don’t think killing sheep is an issue at all.