Monks after Chinese losing Atonement and Faith?
Making Scorpions unaffected by Rocketry could also be a way.
If necessary, Halberdiers can be removed to increase the threat from cavalry.
The things may look like:
Remove the additional Light of Sight of TCs and minus 1 additional Villager, but plus 10 or 15 food and 1 additional Goat.
The tech discount is fixed at 10%.
Gain Hand Cannoneer.
Gain Flamethrower (or renamed to Flamethrowing Cart).
Gain Siege Engineers, but Rocketry no longer affects Scorpions.
(There’s no need for Scorpions to pretend to be rocket weapons when there are already Rocket Carts.)
To be honest, after seeing the rich and detailed records of Chinese siege weapons, I kind of think that it’s reasonable for them to have Siege Engineers regardless of balance.
There is one chinese art of war (not sure Sun Zhu or not), that sieging city is 3rd rate commander, using trick to force enemy out of favorable condition is 2nd rate, while win on enemy heart (or make them surrender) is 1st rate.
With such teaching above, Chinese not do much sieging during ancient to Medieval time much.
Also, many sieging, if not playing trick on defender, tend to end in failure than success.
This is true for Europe, but not entirely for China I think.
In the late Middle Ages, or the late Ming Dynasty, China still had heavy cavalry, mainly because even though the musket had been introduced to East Asia, the more primitive hand cannons were still popular in northern China.
Actually the Qing dynasty still had heavy calvary legion in 1900s, but it was crushed by only 3000 European expeditionary army with machine guns during the war against the boxers
In fact I learned that they invented and utilized huge cannons in the battles between Jin(led by the Jurchens) and Mongol, they shocked the Mongolian armies though the cannons did little work to stop the steppe army. Before the Chinese imported harquebus from the Portugese they had used fire-spurting lances(seems really close to hand cannon) and hand grenades.
Do not until to 16 century, when musketeer appear. But cavalry acher still use in all east Asia, origin gun is not strong and get low accurate so cavalry still work very good.
Well “European”, I wonder which nation you were referred to. XD. Before Mongol and Muslim spread gunpowder to medieval Europe, they spent lives in “cold war”, firstly maybe the Poles or the Germans learned how to use gunpowder and then other countries created more and more powerful weapons, which were imitated fast by the rest nations. I mean yes, before Portugese came to Ming dynasty the Chinese had been using garbage gunpowder weapons for centuries, yet they soon learned to use “advanced” harquebus and cannons. It was just like the European countries. Actually I’m not for the idea that the Chinese in the 1600s(maybe?) didn’t discover the real usage of gunpowder.
This is fine too. -185 food, -75 wood but maybe start with a chicken under the tc (to avoid duplicating Inca bonus)
They don’t have any expensive high value melee units for faith removal to have any effect. Don’t think any player who plays with Chinese civ would have researched Faith. Same goes for Theocracy. Since they don’t get redemption, I don’t think Chinese would go for a massive number of monks. So weakening the monastery of a civ that’s not too dependent on it doesn’t seem like the right way to balance out the addition of very impactful units.
The weapon in the first picture is the original gunpowder called the “Invincible Jukjanggun.” The bamboo is drilled and trimmed except for the last bar, wrapped tightly around the body with a string, and reinforced with iron plate pieces and clay to load and shoot with quartz (stone 丸) or several lead bullets. It was also used occasionally in the Ming and Qing dynasties to handle the falling firepower. It was developed in China during the Song dynasty and later in the Joseon dynasty to reinforce the concept of the Chinese Jukjanggun with iron plates, or to modify and use it as a barrel several times after shooting through large bullets or shells (bundles of iron beads) and disposable shooting.
The weapon in the second picture is the “Thunder Bomb,” one of the earliest gunpowder weapons used in three countries: Korea, China, and Japan, and a weapon close to a modern grenade.
For your information, the Führer of the Orient had a wide range of projectiles. From large penetrating arrows to iron bullets and small arrows. Like modern shotguns, it was also possible to fire close-up fragments. Of course, the waste of gunpowder was so severe that the Hwarning Gun quickly replaced the Führer’s position. But even now, the Führer’s power is… enough to penetrate the iron plate.
Video: Joseon’s fire truck power test (experimented with a traditional firearm. Video from the Korean Army’s own experiment in the past)
Jincheon-roe was developed in the Joseon Dynasty as a fuse-type delayed new pipe bomb called “Shikjin-cheon-roe”, and was operated by putting it in a cannon and firing it. For your information, I think this object will be understood quickly considering modern mortars.
Of course, there was also a grenade in the form of a throw called a “terrifying barrel.”
Italians spread Gunpowers in Europe, 14th century. They obviously import technology from China. Natural trade for the time.
The history of the term arquebus is more uncertain, although the technology dates back to the mid-15th century. This technology, however, is definitely made in Europe.
PS. Paradoxically the Chinese/Koreans should have the Handcannons, and Portuguese/Spanish/Teutons/Italians/Turks & co the arquebuses as Imperial upgrades. Which then is not much different from the fact that these European civilisations have a UT or bonus in this regard
The Joseon did adopt Ming hand cannons but they usually modified upon them to suit their own needs, hence they shouldn’t be seen as identical copies of Ming hand cannons.
For instance it’s known that the Ming hand cannons could shoot lead bullets, stones, small arrows, and ceramic or iron shrapnel, however the large wooden arrow with small wings was uniquely Korean and wasn’t known to be used by the Ming, at least according to my knowledge.
Also it seems to me that multi-barreled hand cannons were more popular among Ming armies than among Joseon armies. Joseon hand cannons tend to be longer and single-barreled.
Last but not least, hand cannons seemed to be only popular in North China; in South China crossbows and javelins largely filled their niches, and they eventually chose to adopt the arquebus over the hand cannon.
they are fine, no need to buff them any further, they lost camel for fire lancer. Their OPnu destroys infantry, siege, cavalry and even huskarl. They seriously don’t need siege engineer, Rocketry is their siege engineer.
