From TAD this was already left aside,much more from TAR…
the swedish colony in delaware had a population less than 1000 often less than 200, Danish Caribbean had 20.000 (mostly slaves but still)
i think its fun pointing out that despite losing Scania Denmarks largest extend was actually around 1800 because of india.
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Sweden was mostly themed around Gustavus Adolphus and his thirty years war campaign iirc. I believe they called it " a love letter to GA". The Explorer and settlers are mostly just part of the standard European design. I dont think new Sweden was first on their mind when making the civ.
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Those polish legions, I assume are French troops? Or if not do you have a source? I doubt they settled there.
Chicago does not have more Poles than Warsaw? Source? Also are those immigrants from AoE III timeframe?
First of all I did say Sweden had colonies, but still in colonial sense Denmark is better.
All Swedish colonies were either small or of very short duration. New Sweden / Delaware was barely a colony. It was already claimed by the Dutch and barely any Swedes set foot in it. It was only a few years untill the Dutch kicked them out.
Denmark had Iceland, Greenland, Virgin Islands, Gold coast, multiple trade posts and parts of India.
Danish colonies were bigger in every regard. In terms of population, time span, land and so on.
I dont know in what universe you thought the Swedish colonial empire was bigger in any way.
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Settlers still arrived in Asia of Europeans. Its still a game, so ofcourse not everything is 100% colonial themed. If that eas the game you would be left with a boring game with some auxiliary units.
But that doesnt mean the theme isnt colonial. Because it definatly was from AoE III vanilla to TAD, go ask the developers. The other countries added like the Asians were the people who were influential in the regions were Europe colonized. Asia was still colonized and people still settled there. The whole idea of India in the campaign Im pretty sure is to fight the tyrrany of Britain.
Because a DE shouldnt change the theme of the game. Because when you do that its not the same game anymore.
You can add Austria, France and Britain to an American civil war game, but then you change the whole theme of the game. If they wanted a new AoE title in this area were colonization is perhaps a background thing for Europeans like Spain, they should make an AoE V about it.
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Denmark only got most of those colonies by absorbing Norway.
China and Japan:
You can count how many times China or Japan occur on this page, or even India.
——from the video game prophet who dictates the fate of the game if they break the law
You know what, the “definitive” edition should not even get DLCs because it is called “definitive”. I said it.
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I onestly gave up on the hopes of seeing a return to the European theater after the last DLC…
what? that was 100s of years before AOE3s timeline.
Danish India, Caribbean and west Africa where all Danish projects.
its not like a Danish faction wouldn’t have Norwegian elements, like what is this nonsense argument.
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I’m not arguing against Denmark. That guy is arguing Poland wouldn’t fit because they had few colonies which is obviously nonsense because Denmark, Sweden, Ottomans, and Germans all had negligible colonial holdings.
danish colonial holdings are much bigger than all of the rest, even combined.
sure its not france or the UK but still.
Only if you include Iceland and Greenland which were obtained by Norway hundreds of years earlier. They’re not really equivalent to African, Indian, or Caribbean colonies.
Again, there’s nothing wrong with a Danish faction, they’re just not any higher in importance than somewhere like Poland.
Only Iceland? And what does it matter? The Swedes got all their colonies by claiming land basically already owned by others or buying it from others. If I can recall correctly they had no single colony established on an unclaimed land.
I mean I agree with that amd I dont care if you were joking. If I was in charge, which I obviously am not, I would have just added 3 African civs and new models, some rebalanceing and be done with it. Ofcourse with some hotfixes and balance patches.
Thank god. That’s the best thing to know this year.
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My point is it doesn’t matter and countries with only a tiny colonial presence such as Poland are just as valid as the European Powers who did have large colonial holdings.
i dont think you should view it as an argument for why poland cant be in but more as an argument in favor of denmark being added, the 3 main factions all have their pros and cons:
Denmark
positives:
-existed the entire periode
-had a colonial empire
-largest fleet not present currently
-relative large by area
-was a regional power for a large part of the game
negatives:
-small cultural impact in todays understanding of history
-largely on the defensive
Poland
positives:
-large area
-large population
-famous military
-culturally remembered
negatives:
-stopped existing before the games end
-practically no navy
Italians
positives:
-culturally remembered
-“large population”
negatives:
-wasnt actually a country
-periode is the periode italy became poor. wealth and power shifted away from the Mediterranean
-mostly confined to italy
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A bit different from the topic. I still hope to get the Moroccan civ by the end of this year to join the African Royals DLC. The historical battle of “The Battle of the Three Kings (1578)” shows us that the Moroccans can be part of this DLC, but the creators for some reason did not include this civ right away. It is possible that just like Historic Battle for USA civ, Moroccans will also appear in this game. You just have to wait.
Other Historical Battles may also point to the emergence of Moroccans civ in the future:
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“Algiers” (1516) - we play Berber Pirates in this mission who could ideally be replaced with Moroccan civ (only the flag and key units would be kept present)
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“The Burning of USS Philadelphia” (1804) - we play this mission United States against Berber Pirates who could ideally be replaced with Moroccan civ (only the flag and key units would be kept present)
So I really hope that the new update will bring us two new civs starting with the letter “M” - Mexicans civ and Moroccans civ.
If the creators do not intend to return to Africa, I hope that at least we will get more maps from South and Central Africa as well as 5 new African Minor Nations, e.g. Congolese, Zulu, Fulani, Bantu and Boers.
These are my dreams until the end of 2021.
2022 is hoping for two European DLCs offering the last 5 European powers (Austria-Hungary, the Danes, Italians, Poland-Lithuania and Prussians) absent from the game, tons of different European maps with new flaura and flora, lots of new Minor Nations, new mechanics, spice up old civs and much much more. In the meantime, I’d count on new American DLCs (Brazilians, Gran Colombians + potentially Argentines) similar to the US and Mexico to fill in the gaps between the larger DLCs.
2023 could be an expedition to the Middle East (Persians and Omani) and back to Asia (Siamese and Tatars (merger of the Tatar and Mongolian peoples). I think it takes a long time to update the Asian maps and make them better - by adding more Minor Nations that would be based on nations and not religious orders (these could appear on a few maps, not all of them today). Asian maps could contain a similar number of Minor Nations as American maps (10 new + 6 old).
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I would also like to add that you could consider separate regions:
- Far East (+ Siberia)
- South Asia (include Southeast Asia + Oceania) - full of new island maps
- Middle East (+ Caucasus)
- Western Europe (Western Europe includes the regions of the Kingdom of Prussia (without Prussia xD) and Austria (not counting the lands of the Hungarian Crown and Galicia)
- Eastern Europe (+ Scandinavia and Carpathia)
- Mediterranean Sea (Iberia, Italia and Balkan)
- North America
- Mesoamerica
- South America
- Sahara
- West Sub-Saharan
- East Sub-Saharan
Recognizing these regions as separate would offer us greater clarity in the map list, more specific map pools, and the ability to add more new Minor Nations and new maps (e.g. for Mesoamerica and South Africa).
In this way, we would have 12 regions from all over the world. Each of them would offer a good number of maps; unique Minor Nations, flora and fauna, treasures and much more. It’s nice if the pool of revolution options depends on the convention, e.g. European revolutions only on European maps, African revolutions only on African maps and American revolutions only on American maps.
Of course, such changes require a lot of time and most changes will be useful for Asian maps and European maps have to be created from scratch. If the developers continue to support the game, I hope that such changes will take place.