Oman is also not African.
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Now Oman & Mayans fixed
Of course, we will have at least 5 maps of the north of the world…Iceland and the 4 maps of Greenland…to that you add Malta and some more plus the 8 historical maps and there you have the expansion…
I don’t see how they would be different from the Mayan rev of Yucatan…
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They kind of are. Thad their capital in Zanzibar for a bit.
Then Portugal is an American civilisation.
Not quite the same thing but I wouldn’t say they’re aren’t. It’s more like the Ottomans. Are Ottomans a European civ or Asian civ? The answer is yes.
Oman is half and half, it was an Asian empire, but when it installed its capital in Zanzibar in 1832 it became an African empire as well (getting into the interior of the continent), then you have the separation of Zanzibar that lasted until they were conquered by the British in 1890…
So, I’m hearing Wonder age ups with influence from cows, spendable on natives that shadow tech and Consulate units instead of outlaws and mercs…
Could be fun… just as long as you get a rice paddy type building instead of fields.
it’s a correct and real view on history. To not acknowledge this is to try to rewrite history to pretend that no matter where anyone came from, their ancestors were just as successful as the Europeans at doing war and stuff. Which while a popular thing to do in the modern world, amounts to little more than making up nonsense to make people feel good.
Here’s a map of countries Britain has not invaded:
Keep in mind, Britain invaded most of these places in the period of history AoE3 is set.
Also keep in mind, the Dutch, Portuguese, Spanish and to a lesser extent the Germans were doing empire building in this period of history which collectively has defined the globe for over 90% of the world’s population.
One of your counterexamples is China. China only just got Hong Kong back because of the “Unequal Treaty” Britain made them sign after absolutely annihilating them in order to keep them hooked on ##### so a private military company could exploit half a continent’s population for profit.
Just because these things happened, doesn’t make them nice, fluffy, lovely happy things for Europeans to be proud of. But, the world did not revolve around China. China in this period of history got beaten so badly they only got a chunk of their country back in 1997.
But factually, in the real world we live in, European steel, germs and guns utterly dominated in this period of history. Europe (and events in Europe) was the driver of most people’s history, wherever you lived. The Poles kept up with the rest of the Europeans by being a dominant land power. The reason they’re not as represented in history as the British are today for example, is because they didn’t do the colonial thing the British did, so their legacy remains in central and eastern Europe and not in the anglosphere.
Hawaiians and Maori would make a nice addition to the game as native settlements, not as civilisations.
I think that map is a good argument to say that England and to a lesser extent Europe are the bad guys in the game.
Did they? I can’t seem to find Poland on the map.
I don’t see what the British empire has to do with them either.
How about not gatekeeping everything that’s not European? Maori and Hawaiians would be an excellent fit in the game. They bloodied the Europeans who tried to conquer them, and more importantly, they’d be fun and interesting civs.
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As already discussed above. For a game themed around the period where Europe was colonizing the rest of the world. This certainly has too much “Europe” and too little “rest of the world.”
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Good or bad is subjective, the British did plenty of bad but also ended global slavery and was supportive of liberal and liberation movements across the world.
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You are contradicting yourself without realizing it, there are things that are objectively good and objectively bad, what is subjective are the motivations.
Likewise, I think you are looking for a conversation that does not have space in this forum, I said in the game, for a good reason, because I am talking about AOE3 and that map would support the perception that the Europeans are the bad guys. (In-game and in-game Time Period)
Clarification. There are actions that depending on the context can be good or bad, but they tend to be exceptions, not the norm.
If we were getting dlcs once 6 months I’d be picking on the contents too.
But for this one it is clear that little actual work has been done on the game in the past 2 years.
I guess this is (yet another) testing water after the free mode does well. If this works too then we may see more in the future. Next time I will join you no-more-European champions, if there is any.
For this one I’d rather they stick to some well-established formula and make good use of their efforts. Considering resources this game gets and how horrible the recent management is, I’d be more worried if they announce something more novel with more workloads, such as a large campaign pack (likely an even worse version of V&V), or a new civ group/region (very very likely hurried and messed up), as much as I want them.
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Qing China had a bigger economy then all of Europe combined before the Industrial revolution.
The 19th and 20th century where only a pause in how big and influential China always was. If you look at the economical power of Hongkong and Taiwan you will notice that Mainland China is only being held back by it’s 20th and 21st century politics.
The European dominance only really started in the 19th century, which is at the end of the AoE3 timeline. Almost everything in AoE3 is Napoleonic or earlier. There are multiple civilisations in the game that essentially end in the 16th and 17th century. Poland lost it’s sovereignty in the 18th century and was already in decline in the 17th century.
Poland didn’t exist during the time of the unequal treatise for China.
Hong Kong didn’t become British until 1841!
Before the ##### trade the British Empire had a massive negative trade deficit with China since they couldn’t really offer enough things the Chines wanted besides just giving them Silver.
Only the industrial production of large quantities of ##### in India allowed the British to turn things in their favour.
I never said that Maori should be added to the game before Poland but this game still doesn’t even have Persia.
They only added new things to Europe and North America since the African DLC. Almost all old North American and European civs for some kind of rework and half of European civs even got new units.
Asia has not gotten any real changed since TAD.
And now they are making another European DLC again.
Wouldn’t it be nice to add something different for once?
Safavid Persia/Iran was a big and influential Empire during the same time Poland-Lithuania was big in Europe. It bridged the gab between the Ottomans and India.
They lost some ground to other Empires including the Russians but they always stayed independent unlike Poland.
Also what’s wrong with making Maori or Hawaiians a playable civilisation?
North American natives have been in the game for ages and those civilisations wouldn’t be fundamentally different, if anything they could work even better.
The Kingdom of Hawai’i existed for almost 100 years and used modern Western weapons.
The Maori also quickly adopted Muskets after their first contact with Europeans. They where especially good at building fortifications and trenches which caused a lot of problems for the British later.
Their fortifications were at times remarkably similar to World War 1 trenches which where build 50 years later.
They liked using shotguns, a type of weapon that is pretty underrepresented in AoE3DE so far.
The Hawai’ians could work well as a civilisation that starts of with mostly traditional weapons but then transitions into more European style equipment and Uniforms.
The Maori could be an interesting defensive civilisation.
Other Polynesian cultures would not really be suitable for Civilisations during the AoE3 timeframe.
They would also both work well together in one DLC of course.
The same DLC could also add Australia and New Zealand as revolutions to the British and the Dutch.
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I hope you all know which word got censored here.
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Oh wow, now go back 50 years. 100 years, 200 years and 300 years. All within the time span of the game, actually the vast majority of the timespan of the game.
Sure, Oman is going to be advancing in age with Omani wonders (like the other Asians), but it will also have African content and units similar to Ethiopia, but instead of being Christian it would be Muslim like the Hausa (it’s like putting Persia in a blender with Ethiopia and give it with everything)… a curious civ may emerge…
Well, Great Britain had Belize united with Guatemala and the allied troops in the Paraguayan War and the Chilean troops in the Pacific War were financed by the British, in Africa the countries it did not occupy were because they were in the area of French influence, in Eastern Europe and Central Asia in the area of Russian influence and the Marshall Islands in the area of German influence and I was not going to go there so as not to cause a world war…Mongolia was Chinese until 1912…
Yes, I agree with everything, whether we like it or not, this period is Europe between them and against the rest of the world…
Yes, they can do as before TWC, native settlements and then when they see it, get complete civs…
Yes, we are killing ourselves and we don’t even know the next DLC or the ones after the Baltic DLC… we have to stay calm and patient until the Baltic DLC comes out and then we’ll see…
Yes, that’s true, I think that the next dlcs are going to be in Asia (we are missing a Rise of the Rajas, a The Last Khans and maybe a Dynasties of India too) so we can let Europe rest for a looong time and we can stop discuss here…
They could bring Gran Colombia and the Empire of Brazil in a future DLC; both are very interesting countries.
A Brazilian explorer inspired by Maria Quitéria would be a great suggestion; she has a truly fantastic story.
However, the history of the time was driven by Europe, and they should, for example, create a variant for Austria and Prussia since the HRE is somewhat anachronistic.
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If the developers had continued with the pattern they had, no one would be complaining.
Individual Civilization of the American Continent: United States DLC
Two civilizations from another continent: African Royals DLC
Individual civilization of the American continent: Mexico DLC
Two European Civilizations: Knights of the Mediterranean DLC
But clearly Europe urgently needed two new civilizations. (sarcasm)
I stand by what I said, the problem is not that they added European civilizations, the problem is that they added them too soon. I think this was a mistake, probably caused because nothing was planned to be added to the game and Microsoft bosses demanded something to show at the event.
I want to make some suggestions so that the developers and the players can reconcile.
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The old maps of all the continents need to be updated, basically I ask that they add maritime trade routes and more minor civilizations.
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More maps for non-European continents, in addition to adding maps of Oceania.
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Fix online game issues and improve game performance.
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More options for the games, for example, limiting the maximum age to one revolution.
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improve AI, especially so that it can use revs effectively.
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More historical maps and game modes, for example world conquest mode.
Note: I could ask for more, for example that one of the developers is always ready to answer our questions or a specific civilization, but I think that could be excessive. (In addition, it is a sector of the fandom that is in conflict)