the holy roman empires was replaced by the german confederation.
the game goes from somewhere late 1400s to 1876ish.
Well, but they are already in the game and we have to live with it…
Well it was going to be a Mediterranean DLC, if it wasn’t Malta, it was Greece, but they decided to do it that way…
Yes, it is a kind of cellopathy… A certain degree of jealousy can be considered normal within a healthy and mature relationship. In this case, given the perception of competition or the threat of losing the partner (in this case that MS ignores us) an incomprehensible and disproportionate reaction would be triggered.
Let’s also remember that they are developing AoM Retold, so making a European dlc is faster than starting to make dlcs from the rest of the world that require more people, resources and time…
Yes, I suppose next year they will release something from that, especially Asia…
I suppose it will bring some maps of northern Europe and several battles and historical maps…
Of course, she is the Brazilian Joan of Arc…
Yes, but you have great moments of the HRE such as the reign of Charles V, the Thirty Years’ War which was like an imperial civil war, the defense of Vienna in 1683 and during the 18th century, through the Enlightenment, its institutions and its arts had a great renaissance…so it was not so in decline when it was dissolved by Napoleon…
Of course and then the northern German confederation until Prussia created the German Empire in 1871…
It goes from 1421 (if you count the Chinese campaign and the German war wagons, which are the Hussite wagons) to 1876 (the battle of Grease Grass)…then if you count the Porfiriato and the whole Wild West theme it goes until 1911/ 1912 and if you want to consider the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1922 (rounding the game’s chronology to 500 years)…
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stating 1900s in a game with no machineguns or modern artillery is fantasy.
i have no idea why the downfall of the ottoman empire has anything to do with time period.
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Yes, I am referring to specific themes and technologies of the game, but you are right that the technology of the belle epoque is missing due to technical limitations of the game itself… the game ends in the Victorian era (or belle epoque), but it does not show nothing from that time except for certain exceptions…and the fall of the Ottoman Empire is simply to mark an end of civilization, how can I do with Germany, China, Russia and so on…since the first war is not in the game, That hasn’t happened yet (not much comes out of the scramble of the Africa either)…
“supply” in this case is developper hours.
the concept still applies
that’s not how that works. overhead is not supply.
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More like ~1900. Porfiriato was a long period. The latest reference in game is the Boxer rebellion in 1899
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I don’t have facts, so I’ll resort to irony.
HRE was also a stage for numerous religious conflicts that led to political instability within the empire, compounded by territorial losses resulting from the Thirty Years’ War.
The siege of 1683 was a decisive moment in history; however, there was significant involvement of foreign powers. I believe it would have been unlikely for the HRE to break the siege without, for example, the Poles and their cavalry.
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Bruce Shelley, Designer behind the AoE series stated that, to make accessible the games, he always started from pop-history books and high school text books. Does it make a good historiographical document? By no means. Does it makes for a good game? Well, yes.
This aproach have many narrative problems, as we can see in the mexican civilization, overemphasizing events that left little to no impact in the overall construction of the mexican statehood -sonora revolution was put down by a company of poorly armed militia and california was barely a revolution but a filibusteer grab-.
Before moving on I’d like to point out that AoE 3 WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE ABOUT EUROPE. Most behind-the-scenes development documents were pointing towards a direct continuation of AoII -even with their narrative problems that would have surged. France was supposed to be the decendent of the franks, that’s why they excell at heavy cavalry, England inhereted their bowmen from the britons, etc. The inclusion of Sweden and Italy was planned from the start… however, something changed.
It was 2005 and the “war on ter…” was in full swing. Most media embraced gladly the “AMERICA!” attitude and AoE wasn’t the exception. Relatively late in pre-production the focus was changed from European renasaince-baroque era to “Colonial America”. Italy and Sweden were scraped for not having colonies in the americas and native allies were added for the player to roleplay the “French and Indian wars”, etc.
And we came back to my point. Age of Empires 3 struggle hard in the narrative department because it doens’t know what they want to say and rather know what they don’t want to talk about. Introducing a new civilization is always a challenge beause it requires to answer the question “What are the players working towards?”.
With the knigts of the mediterranean expansion at least they set the record straight and gave back europeans their XVIII century dinastic wars narrative, but is quite the challenge to tell a narrative about, I.E, the kingdom of Korea, or Siam, or Viet. After all, from the fall of the Ming to the ##### wars, the sinosphere was in relative peace, with the exception of the colonization of India and the japanese shogun wars, which this game have already covered.
If any, AoE III should dig deeper into African history, since Africa faced sucesive crissis caused directly or indirectly by colonization, making for a clear narrative. However, this would also open the big can of worms of the issue of slavery, a issue that they have continously avoided for their ethical and moral dimensions, even to the extend of gaslighting us by removing the “plantation” moniker and adding color skins for the settlers.
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It’s the silly way of thinking now in the West: “If you were entertained by something unethical in fiction, it means you would do it in the real world.”
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It’s more that they than had to admit that A: the transatlantic trade was only possible due to Slave empires within africa. And B that the Arab one was going on far longer and farther reaching.
And that would go against the narrative.
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Nah, the narrative that you’re talking about have gained very strength only on the last years.
But is clear that in the 2000’s when the game was released they wanted to avoid slavery and genocide/conquest against natives. In the campaign you mainly ally with the natives always, only the Shadow one you fight as an aggressive colonialist but you are being “manipulated” and you switch fast.
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Definitive edition came out in 2020. And considering how the amazons are f.e. portrayed i am sorry but no.
Nobody is denying that… its a strawman argument.
Point is, the european ##### ##### far outweight the arab one in extend and impact. Chattel slavery is dehumanizing on the next lvl.
You also cant put too much blame on the african kingdoms since selling their neighbours into slavery was most of the time their only option for survival against european powers.
Im not saying that you are doing that, but most of the time these arguments are used to divert responsibility away from european colonial empires
Yes, you have the improvement of the Victorian era of the Hanover House, which ended in 1901…
Yes, of course…the Protestant Reformation greatly weakened the HRE in its power and it had to begin to depend on other countries…
Of course, I agree…although they could have added Sweden at least, since they did have colonies on the Delaware River in Delaware, Pennsylvania and New Jersey…
Yes, I agree… there’s a reason why there are no campaigns showing the European conquest of the New World in the game, except for a few hints in the Blood campaign…
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what on earth is that fantasy map.
I was talking about the original release, on 2005.
the map he posted includes Zealand, which sweden obviously never controlled.
Thats bremen in northern germany. They had it for ~60 yrs after the peace of westphalia