All civs at once world map

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So some time ago I started making some fanarts of how would the world map look like with all the civs available at the time. And I was asking mysef if i should make a new one with all the current civs available now…perhaps you’ve seen some of them.

And right after the first one I made another version that im a lot prouder of, but in this one I made my own alternative civ icons just to steer clear from any copyrighted assets, which i think may have backfired monumentally. still i think the second one is far better in so mny ways

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If anyone ever wants to turn this one into a playable mapplease be my guest. Ive never published any AoE assets ever, only played with the editor a little bit, so if anyone wants to use this please go ahead.

And would you like to see newer versions with all the current civs, or should i go back to using the oficial civ icons?

If you like my maps and would like to see more AoE fanarts :v id really appreciate a like, watch or share… heres my DA :3 Age of Empires 2 World Map (Dukes + India) by seridio-red on DeviantArt

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Unfortunately the number of players is limited to 8, it would be so cool to have a lot more civs in a match at once.

Also did you leave out the last DLC on purpose?
Why no Jurchans and Khitans?
It makes sense to leave out Romans and the 3 Kingdoms since they are basically just earlier version of other civs. Though you got the Huns in there.

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For late antiquity civs (Romans Huns Goths 3K…), the best solution is to keep them on a second separate map as they fully overlap with well-established kingdoms.

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Yeah, Goths are really hard to place. Great migration and all that. Placing them in Spain is just as valid

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While a late antiquity map, put it around 450 (in Europe, for China it will be the 3K period 200 years earlier) : Gallia Aquitania and northern Hispania for the Wisigoths, alongside the Ostrogoths if you put them somewhere inside the Huns who take all the land beyond the Rhine & Danube.

You may even give the Goths Africa as a placeholder for the Vandals and some others like the Suebi in Hispania. Franks and Burgundians have a slice of Gaul, maybe use the Vikings as a placeholder for Saxons.

Romans take the parts of the WRE still under roman control (Italy, parts of Gaul under direct control, southern Hispania, Dalmatia).

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Armenians and Georgians are also missing, so it doesn’t take the most recent DLCs into account, stopping with DOI (so no RoR MTR and 3K)

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Oh I mixed up the Byzantines being in 2 spots with there being Georgians.

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tbf, I’d be happy with the game if those DLCs didn’t exist

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TMR is harmless (classic-style DLC), and I don’t mind the Romans who had the door open ever since the Huns were added in The Conquerors (the main issue is locking them behind another AOE1 remake, what was probably intended as a bonus feels like forcing the full DLC to unlock it). 3K should have been a chronicles and be done alongside a medieval Chinese DLC, forcing it in the main game and locking the Jurchens and Khitanguts in it was a major mistake.

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I care more about mechanics than if they fit on the timeline. Romans introduced auras and have completely pointless charge attacks. Georgians have more auras + the mule carts are super janky. 3K has so much wrong with it I don’t know where to begin.

All the chronicles stuff should be a standalone game

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I personally wished the Romans since Age of Kings, in order to reenact Franks migration to the West.
@TheTowerDefender I have nothing against aura and charge attack, it enrich the game imo.

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It would be madness having all 50 civs in just one game xD although it really would something to watch. I actually made this one in 2022, so long before several of the new civs, and this one isnt even the first version.
And it is true that many civs, Goths, Huns, Romans, Wu, Wei and Shu at least; absolutely do not belong in the same historical map. But for me AoE isn’t really all that much about historical accuracy. I think perhaps it started out that way, but the game I dont think thats their priority anymore.
But making these isnt about weightin in on that, it is to make a world map where all civs could coexist at once, sticking to historical accuracy or relevancy as much as I can. I mean the Roman Empire didn’t exist past the 4th century, but if they did I THINK it would make sense to have them in and around rome.

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I made this map in 2022 long before the last civs came out. I made this one when the India civs came out and i haven’t made a new one ever since. But i think it may be time to mak an updated one considering theres almost 10 new civs in the game. At least Armenians and Georgians are quite easy to place in the map

I was just looking for feedback on how to do the next one. Should I use the same map to continue my tradition? Should i use the official civ icons to make them more appealing to AoE fans by risking it using game assets? And as always i love to hear where people would place the Goths and Huns xD i always love that part.

Here is the first one I made and the reason why I ask myself if i should use the same base map to make it like a tradition or if i should use a new one…

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It is true that there are some civs that aboslutely dont belong with the others, my whole point is to create a map where all the civs coexist together as once. Its an alternative history setting that tries to stick to actual history as much as possible, the old civs wouldve just had to survive long enough so i just look into the last bastions of the goths and huns mainly.
I could make another one with the older civs, but that would mean a lot more creative freedoms, though it would actually be fun to make.

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If you’re more confortable by avoiding ingame assets, continue as such. Many ingame crests are already based on real heraldry (especially striking in Europe) so don’t be afraid of outright copying the design, so long that it’s not copypasting the ingame file.

However, be careful of using period-accurate ones. For example the Chinese use the Qing coat of arms, who took power in the 17th century. I’m not sure how old the Berber flag is but it feels too modern, better take the coat of arms from a moorish dynasty such as the Almoravids. Likewise Slavs use a modern ukrainian flag (the insigna is old but the background is modern), the modern flag for Sicily instead of the medieval crest…

European overseas colonies feel anachronistic as the game ends around 1500 in Europe, even for Spain and Portugal it would be at the very tail end. The only one I’d put is Vinland for the Vikings, even though it was short-lived. I’d rather aim to portray the map around 1200-ish for medieval civs, while late antiquity civs (Romans Goths Huns 3K…) have their own earlier map, this will also completely solve the problem of placing them (true Goths were in Crimea for long but it was insignificant compared to the Wisigoths and Ostrogoths who for their time were major players). The older map could of course keep civs that already existed at the time (Byzantines Franks Persians…). To keep it all in one map you could portray it as secondary side-maps on a corner, one for the Roman Empire and one for China.

Mesopotamia should be Saracen instead of Persian : arabic is spoken there, Baghdad was a major capital…

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The big huge cavernous gap that is the Tibetans… Damn devs have yet to add them.

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If you really want to put them all on one place, fair enough for the Goths, or maybe give them Aragon. The question remains for the Huns ans Romans

For the Huns, the issue of Hungary is it will be fully taken over by the Margyars with some extra steps (Avars…), however they do have a later holdout in some parts of Central Asia as the Hephtalites / White Huns.

Then the issue of Rome… technically the last holdout was Syagrius’ Kingdom in northern France but it became the core lands of the Franks. So maybe, maybe… the Papal States. This would split Italy in 3 : Northern Italy up to Emilia-Romagna and Tuscany for the Italians, as the italian city states. Romans in the middle with the borders of the Papal States, then the south as the Sicilians. This could do it.

The 3K finally, put their core provinces inside the chinese territory, to feel as part of them.

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And portraying medieval Tibet (who were a society of chad warriors until the Mongols wiped out their warrior class and only lefts the buddhist monks) wouldn’t even be illegal by chinese law, unless really going out of your way to anger them such as making a remake of Le Loi fighting against some chinese occupation for the Dalai Lama… but at this point we’re beating a dead bactrian camel.

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Avoiding game assets sounds good, but I published that map in 2022 being the second one, and i dont think it blew up as much as the first one. I think it may be that people see the icons and say “oh this is not an age of empires 2 map, it just looks like one” and they move on instead of diving into it, which defeats the whole purpose of the project…

About being period accurate, you have some wiggle room and I take A LOT of creative freedoms, this is a fanart of a hypotethical universe. But I see I didnt look into some of them enough. Its something to use a Qing flag because i wanted a dragon and it felt better than using some random unlicensed dragon, but i didnt notice the flags i used for berbers and sicily were so modern.
Thats exactly why I think i need to make an updated version and just use the actual game flags so i dont have to make up a bunch of stuff and then having people not even being locked in afterwards.

About the European colonial empires, it may seemd crazy, but I have my reasons: Spain as a kingdom was founded in 1492, that is the same year they reached the Americas. They were introduced in the same expansion as the Maya and the Aztecs, so they are clearly inspired in the colonial period. Conquistadors and missionaries are units from the conquest of America, so for me there is no doubt that Spain would 100% be in the New World.

For Portugal its a longer stretch, but considering they have caravels and organ guns, and in the campagin they are also in their colonial period, I though the spanish conquest of america came hand in hand with portugals so i might as well…

Franks, Britons and Vikings in america are crazy, but I honestly do it for flavor, having only 3 american civs and 2 european in the south felt wrong, I cannot wrap my head around the idea of north america as a giant barren land, it feels condescending. Specially having great empires like the Iroquois, Ojibwe, Sioux, Apache, Comanche not even mentioning the Blackfoot, Cree, Mississipian, Muskogee… im just not gonna portrait north america as “empty”.

Noted about mesopotamia, its a question of who owns Baghdad basically.
And it looks like there are some poeple who wonder how would the world look like with the late classic and early medieval time, I think I can make one of those too, sounds fun.

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We all know why we dont have a tibetan civ… Its embarrassing tbh. theres literally a south park episode about this…

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