That thing makes sense for Vikings but really, it doesnt really represent the Norse very well past the 11th or 12th century.
Either way you are right, lets move on
I obviously agree on that 
But you know …this damn naming eheh…
Eh, I get why you think that, but as someone that thinks Europe has way too many civs having a civ that its so similar to the civs that used to represent them seems uninteresting. Lithuanians and Slavs are already really really similar to what some people think Poland should play like and Poles arent a civ that its as malleable as Tibetans or Dutch.
The same goes for Bohemians from who I hope the devs give them good archers and/or light cav to diferenciate them from the Teutons who are already a gunpowder and siege civ.
well I was mostly speaking about the access to Paladins, which is not I would say the most significative thing to make a civ feeling unique, but than Poles could get anyway imo because decent reasoning about their warfare.
I don’t really know for Bohemians what they will make honestly. A bit sad in some way than they burned the idea of “revolt” with Burgundians. I think than flemish revolt is not as iconic to Burgundy, than the hussites one for Bohemia. So I am affraid to have a final design of Bohemia which will only be resumed to Hussites, when Bohemia is more than that
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I wouldnt say that. Hussites from ranks of nobility and foreign mercenaries represented heavy cavalry. What I have read they were equipped with lances which is quite “new” for me and therefore the lance itself qualifies the cavalry as heavy, doesnt it? And they employed semiheavy cavalry equipped with crossbowmen.
Traditional light cavalry was not “at home” in Bohemia unlike of Poland or Hungary.
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Yes, I agree. Bohemians looks like to be just reduced to Hussites. I know only the Hussite chapter justifies Bohemian addition into the game, but at same time I see some people here headlessly praise and admire Hussite while in fact Hussite wars destroyed the Kingdom economically and politically. For many years Bohemians were seen heretics after the wars… about 1/3 or 1/2 of population disappeared… all that witihin a few years, from one the most powerful kingdom in central Europe into war ravaged countryside…
Bohemians have interesting history prior to Hussites, for example devs could take inspiration from: Vratislav II and his campaign to Milan with Barbarossa, campaigns of Ottokar II, campaigns of John and/or Charles culminating in battle of Crecy…
Nevertheless, I buy the DLC although I am not 100% happy with that 
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"The hussites didnt have heavy cavalry (…) the light cavalry was used to disband enemy troops.
The battle of of Ústí, in 1426 offers an example of the Hussite strategy (…) after the gunfire stopped the hussite cavalry entered in action"
- Matthew Bennett, the War in the Middle Ages (translated from the Spanish edition of it so it may not be a 100% accurate in terms of semantics but I think its accurate)
Hm 
And I am reading about heavy and semiheavy cavalry
Or maybe we fight with definition of light and heavy cavalry. Lances IMO are a wepon of heavy cavalry like Coustilier (spelling?) of Burgundians.
Maybe we should need a tool for time travelling
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Where are you reading about it?
They had good horses that’s why they have both Husbandry and Bloodlines. I would say that Italians lacking Paladins is weird not because of good horses which has nothing to do with armored cavalryman, but the fact Italians made one of the best quality armor in Europe.
Newly I have read book about Vikings invasions of British Isles up to 1066 when battle of Fulford and Stamford Bridge happend. I really suspect Enseble Studio recreated Vikings around that period and well, Vikings did not really relly on cavalry, but on infantry and shield wall. They were using cavalry mostly to chase the routing enemies ( here Anglo Saxons ).
It highly depends about which time frame we talk about. The any Polish light cavalry I have in mind during middle ages are mounted crossbowmen and archers. For every major battle Polish heavy knights were bulk of the army, behind the heavy knights were lighter armored Sergants, but I would rather call them medium cavalry. After medieval period, Poland had special light cavalry forces called “Racowie” who later were turned into heavy cavalry - Polish Hussars.
Overall from historicall perspective Poland wasn’t famous for light cavalry, that’s why I would not be surprised if they would lack both Light Cav and Hussars. [ and since on screenshots we see Winged Hussar - who I would personally like to not appear in normal game, but rather a scenario editor object - could be Imperial Age UT that transform Scouts into Winged Hussars.
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I have an “old” book focusing on military history of Czechoslovakia. Its in Czech and it is here:
The history timeline is separated in time sections where each section is further divided into chapters like “political background”, “military equipment”, “supplies” etc.
In the military equipment chapter of Hussite section I read about plate armour, lances, daggers, swords, chain armour and shirts etc. like a features of Hussite cavalry. Cavalry was not used only for killing routing enemy but also for flanking when enemy cavalry rode into wagon wall.
But I dont want to argue about that. The overall problem is cavalry was here more like another component of the whole army and not always present on battlefield.
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ahaa, I thought you employed light cavalry from eastern parts of Polish kingdom… Plus by adding Tatars. Ok then.
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Polish knights from south-eastern parts of Polish kingdom were reserved for fighting the Tartars ( That’s why Poles had problem with dealing with Teutonic Order, Poland never could use all of it’s forces ). But still Polish knights fights with them as heavy cavalry.
Tatars indeed fought for Poles as merceneries not once, that’s right. But real light melee cavalry that fought in Polish ranks were Lithuanians ( after union in 1385 ofcourse ). In terms of employment I can agree here, but not to the point where light cavalry was main force or something like that.
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Tbh when the horses of the region are considered the best on Europe togheter with the ones from Spain giving them Paladins already make sense. You are still making a good point.
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Genoa had a strong colonial presence in crimea and anatolia, and multiple trade outposts across north africa, and the levants. Pisa had similar outposts but on a smaller scale, this is not something that can be done without a strong navy.
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Italians overall are weirdly made just for balance perposes. The lack of Halberdier for them is also weird.
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Yeah balance is always smth devs have in mind. Italians not having halbs is a good example. Brits not having paladins another.
I really would like devs to show their plans for the Bohemians and Poles at this stage as they did for the previous DLC. Than we will have more idea how they should look like.
Have in mind focusing on certain period of civs has been the leading principle for a while. For example I have seen Hungarians complain for the lack of gunpowder and the fact Magyars are focused on the more nomadic earlier period (basically being Huns V.2.0). So this is going to likely apply for Bohemians and Poles, too. It is indeed a fact that Bohemians are made viable especially for the Hussite period what makes them unique as army while Poles have been represented by their neighbours for a while so elements that would make a Pole civ are found in Slavs, Lithuanians, Teutons even Magyars. Having said that I do think Poles will be a good cavalry civ even if they dont get a paladin research.
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Yes, thats how I was thinking about it. I didnt mean it like Poles didnt have heavy cavalry and used only light but rather you had an access to light cavalry and knew how to use them.
Hungarians, who at the times of raiding age they were primarily steppe civ with horse archers, also deployed heavy cavalry but they also deployed light cav because of their roots or because of their ability to employ mercenaries and include their tactics.
This is different from Bohemians who had always heavy cav and never used light cav because they were not accustomed to do so. I think a nice example could be battle of Kressenbrunn where Cumans employed by Hungarians opened the battle with arrows without significant impact on heavy armoured Bohemian knights.
As you can further read what made a peculiar moment for Bohemians was a charge of Hungarian heavy cavalry…
Thank you for enlightening of Polish aspects 
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I think it is really likely that we will get some informations after Redbull tournament final today.
Yes, I agree, but because of those 2 pieces of infomations, it would be disappointment if they lack paladin:
fandom wiki: " Historically, the Lithuanian cavalry mostly consisted of light cavalry. However, the access to the Paladin upgrade reflects their alliance with the Poles, who utilized heavy cavalry during medieval times."
Description of Poles on Steam:
Stride across fertile plains with industrious farmers and powerful nobles at your back as you build the fledgling Kingdom of Poland into one of medieval Europe’s most powerful states
Thank you for enlightening the aspects of Hussites warfare ! I have this book -
There is part dedicated to Hussite cavalry. No mentioning of light cavalry, but only Czech heavy cavalry - that they were armed in same way as crusaders cavalry - heavy plate armor ( most of them from Italy [ Mediolan craftsmanship ], bascinet helmet. To quote the author ( my translate ) : "… the [ Hussite ] heavy cavalry usually made the most important attacks on the battlefield… ".
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pls go check and tell us
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