AoE2 Civ Design: Fixed Packages or Modular System?

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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This post is not a modding request, feature proposal, or suggestion to change ranked gameplay or existing tooling (including AGE or mod workflows).

It is a player-level observation about how civilizations are represented compared to how the underlying system actually works.

1. Civilizations are still fixed packages

In AoE2, civilizations are currently presented as fixed gameplay packages consisting of:

  • Units
  • Technologies
  • Civilization bonuses

Despite years of DLC expansion, the core abstraction remains:

pre-authored civilization packages.

2. But the system underneath is already modular

At the data level, AoE2 already behaves in a modular way:

  • Units are data-driven
  • Technologies are data-driven
  • Effects are data-driven

Modding tools already expose this structure.

But from a player perspective:

this modular structure is not surfaced in a unified or readable form.

3. Technology trees are UI representations of effects

A useful abstraction is:

technology trees are structured representations of effect availability and progression rules.

This means:

  • civilizations are internally effect-based
  • but externally presented as fixed packages

So there is a gap between:

system structure vs player-facing representation

4. The perception gap

As AoE2 expands, I feel this gap becomes more visible:

  • civilizations feel more diverse
  • design styles differ more strongly
  • player expectations are no longer aligned

The issue is not balance or correctness, but:

players no longer share a single mental model of what a civilization “is”.

5. Why Civilization Editor comes to mind

Because civilizations are fundamentally built from:

  • Units
  • Technologies
  • Effects

This naturally leads to a question:

Would a limited Civilization Editor help expose this structure more directly?

Not as a gameplay feature, and not as a modding replacement—but as a representation layer.

6. Important clarification: not a modding replacement

This is not about replacing AGE or existing mod tools.

Those already serve deep customization and full system access.

What I am imagining is lighter:

a constrained official composition/view layer for civilizations.

7. Why “limited” matters

The idea is strictly:

  • reuse existing Units
  • reuse existing Technologies
  • reuse existing Effects
  • no new assets
  • no ranked impact

So it is not about creating content:

but about recombining existing structure.

8. Even if imperfect, it may still be valuable

Even if such a system occasionally requires updates due to game changes:

it could still provide long-term value as a clarity and experimentation layer.

No system is fully future-proof, but that does not necessarily reduce its usefulness.

9. Summary

AoE2 civilizations are modular at the system level but still presented as fixed packages at the UI level.

The question is:

whether exposing a limited version of this modular structure could improve player understanding without changing gameplay.

:brain: One-line framing

AoE2 civilizations are modular in the underlying system, but still presented as fixed packages in the player-facing UI.

:red_question_mark: Closing Question

From a UI and systems design perspective:

Would increasing visibility of existing modular relationships improve long-term clarity of civilization design, or is the current fixed-package abstraction still the most effective way to communicate identity?

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To create a tool for custom civs would be for them like shooting at their feet, the selling point of aoe2 is adding civs since no other experiment they tried proved successful. Unless they charge players for custom mods/campaigns/civs and retain a percentage over that but it’s unlikely cause it would drastically change the business model, basically outsourcing everything to players and just selling packages of objects, skins or whatever.

Right now you can already create your own custom civ with triggers and age basically, the only thing you can’t do is to add it to the roster but you can only add it by overwriting another one. Like with custom campaigns you can basically do everything already except having the “official mark” on it. We’re mostly paying for that, similar to when you pay the name of the brand on a t-shirt you could actually make yourself.

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I get your point on the business model side :+1:

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Please don’t use AI to edit your messages. You raise interesting points but it’s tough to read with all the typical LLM mannerisms.

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Fair point — thanks for pointing it out.

I tend to write in a more structured way because I’m used to long Steam-style posts, but I’ll try to keep it more natural in forum discussions.

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