And that’s why I said these forums
But seriously, I’m thinking that any well done civ will be bought. I don’t like a German split, but I would still buy a Prussian DLC if (and only if) it has good Historical Battles
I can do the next “Austria-Germany” “germany split” “banana prussia” poll tomorrow, who is responsible for publishing the day after tomorrow?
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Yeah sure, I’ll post one on Tuesday
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It should be forbidden to have both the words “Austria” and “Germany” in the same post, and any attempts should lead to a 3 day ban.
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Better…from now until the Baltic DLC comes out, it is prohibited to make posts about Germany and India…full stop…
Are you playing censor? Where is freedom of speech?
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It was most certainly a joke.
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Oh boi. i hope this is a joke.
If ,Germans stay option" will win , Devs could add someday new mechanic to this faction - option to change ,Germans" to Prussia or Austrian Empire or HRE ( Saxony , Bavaria, Hessia etc) by the game when player want it. This could be nice and everyone will be happy ( ,stay option" defenders and people wanting split").
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But the poll is only here.
https://forums.ageofempires.com/search?context=category&context_id=140&q=austria&skip_context=false
yes… only here. just here. very new topic.
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Do one on reddit. I did a similar one there once and there was a substantial amount of people who didn’t want a split
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Shocking, I wonder why nobody wants to split Germany.
TBH, on the topic of splitting, let’s also split the ottomans into:
- Turks
- Israeli
- Palestinians
- Greeks
- Bulgarians
- Romanians
- Egyptians
- Hungarians
- Serbians
- Croatians
- any of the other nations under the ottoman empire rule.
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Yes, we have to see what they do with that…
Well in theory, Germany and Austria are federal states (16 German states plus 9 Austrian states give you 25 states or 6 by age minus 1, which is Berlin), so they could be updated to use the federal state system, but they would have to be given it to Russia too… although the post-colonial countries (USA, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and Colombia between 1811 and 1886) would lose a little of their uniqueness…
These are the only ones that I accept are complete civs… and then the rest are revolutions shared between Germany, Russia and Turkey…
Israelis as a German revolution, damn, how did I not think of this??
Well you’re not that far from that…
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Were these independent great powers in the early modern period? No, they were all very much subordinate to the Turks. The only exception that you could reasonably argue for would be the Egyptians who were defacto independent.
I don’t see how this is even remotely comparable to multipolar regions like Germany or India.
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Maybe we should talk about this topic again when people are not upset about only getting European DLC.
The last DLC was European and the next will be European again.
Most recent patches have focused on European civilisations (I count the Ottomans as European) while Asia has been neglected since TAD.
I think the opinions on a potential German split or adding Austria and Prussia as new civilisations will be pretty different after the game for some more none European content.
After India is split there will likely be a lot more people that want Germany to be split.
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The problem is that now is the perfect time to split the Germans civ due to the upcoming Baltic DLC - if the Prussians civ were the third civ in this DLC and Germans civ would renamed into Austrians civ, there would be no need for any more civs from Europe. There is no better opportunity to do it - especially since we don’t really know anything about this DLC because nothing has been presented - hence there is still an opportunity to influence the creators.
Well, I think that spliting Germans civ is much easier than spliting Indians civ for many reasons:
- Changing Germans civ to Austrians civ is a trivial thing: it would mainly involve transferring the new content (also Berlin Home City and Frederick the Great AI Personality) from the update to the completely new Prussians civ and replacing it with content suitable for Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary Empire (Vienna, Joseph II von Habsburg). This would mainly be the transfer of HC cards, the addition of RG skins and text and cosmetic changes in the Encyclopedia and HC. A minor change could also be to add more details to the current flag - such as coats of arms relating to the kingdoms that were under Habsburg rule.
- Prussians civ would be a completely new civ that would receive some of the new content that was added in the last update. I will not write more details because I have talked about them many times.
And that’s it for the Germans civ split. It’s not difficult and could be a good warm-up and lesson for creators before Indians civ spliting. And this would be necessary for creators because:
- Indians civ, unlike the Germans civ, is very complex (just like every other Asian civ compared to the European civs in AoE 3). I once created a topic about my thoughts on Indians civ spilit and I came to the conclusion that it would require huge changes that could radically change this civ. It is obvious that the current Indians civ should be the base for the Mughals civ, as it is mainly based on them.
- Indians civ has a lot of content relating to the British Raj - this in itself is one of the main problems because people have no clear idea what to do with it. I am convinced that it could work on the principle of army modernization or it should become content available from the British Consulate. Some people are of the opinion that it should be cut out and moved to British civ as a revolution option, which I think is too wil and complicatedd.
- If the current Indians civ were to be changed into Mughals civs, content (not only the units themselves but also buildings and etc.) relating to other nations would have to be moved to completely new civs or to completely new Minor Civilizations. The obvious candidate to be the second Indian civ is the Maratha/Dravidians, which would be more Hindi; Bengalis could be the third candidate for civ. The rest of the Indian subcontinent could be represented by the brand new category of Minor Civilizations that all of Asian Maps need.
These are the three main aspects/thoughts regarding Indians civ spiliting in my opinion. One thing is certain that the current Indians civ, unlike the current Germans civ, would not resemble their current selves after the rework.
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