Aztec Warrior Woman

Please dont have them, i cant find any record of female warriors in their society or mythology

I only bring this up cause is looks like the Jaguar Cav in one of the screen shots looks like they are female.

Jaguar cav isn’t historic either but if they want to give them mounted units for readability that fine.

They didn’t have a single female warrior. The fact that they created jaguar riders is ridiculous and insane. Perhaps they should have added Godzilla, why not?

Lol, they already have Godzilla. Honengyo is what became Godzilla :stuck_out_tongue:

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Well, it’s a mythology game, so if it’s set in the Aztec mythological era, before the fall of the four suns and the end of the mythical city of Aztlan, anything is possible.

But generally, in mesoamerican sociert, it’s known that women had the role of mother, and their greatest battle was giving birth and not dying in the process.


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The only female warrior figures I recall were “goddesses” (Cihuacoatl, Coyolxauhqui) or spirits of dead women (Cihuateteo) who accompanied the setting sun.

Perhaps they are the Cihuateteo: These were women who die giving birth, and as spirits, they dedicated themselves to watching over the sun on its journey and protecting the souls of warriors who died in battle from the evil spirits like the tzitzimime. Basically, the Aztec Valkyries; perhaps that’s why the jaguar mount.

Cihuateteo

And the last option will be the Tzitzimime, but i don´t think so. Those are female star monster who could even attack the gods.

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After much analysis and reflection, I believe they were trying to represent a Cihuateteo—the spirits of women who died in childbirth and were considered warriors, on par with those who fell in battle. It’s the closest equivalent to the concept of a female warrior in Mexica mythology. However, the representation doesn’t truly evoke them, as they are usually depicted as specters very similar to Tzitzimime—so much so that they are often confused with them—which may explain the strange appearance they were given. I suppose this is the only explanation that doesn’t imply the developers were completely off base. Perhaps a better representation can be found here: https://x.com/rey_tonatiuh/status/1731731669692920293

How did you not find any female warriors in their mythology?

Coyolxauhqui was a warrior goddess of the moon, she beheaded her mother Coatlicue, and she led the army of her 400 brothers.

The grandmother Tzitzimitl, (a star demon) lead her Tzitzimime down to her earth to track down Quetzalcoatl and Mayahuel, then killed Mayahuel and tore her body apart.

Itzpapalotl was the Queen of the Tzitzimime, she killed two cloud serpents and devoured them. At the end of the fifth age her star demons will descent down to earth and end the Aztec cosmology. Once all the humans are gone Huitzilopotchli will return to her mother Coatlicue.

Tlaltecuhtli was an Aztec female earth monster. She was considered the source of all living things, she had to be kept sated by human sacrifices which would ensure the continued order of the world. Sometimes she is conflated with Cipactli, another female monster.

Malinalxochitl: The Aztec Goddess of sorcery. The tribes people including Huitzilopotchli were afraid of her dark magic so they left her in the desert.

Cihuacōātl the serpent skirt was usually depicted with a shield and a spear. Her name was used as title for rulers.

The Goddess of sin and impurity Tlazōlteōtl can be seen in codex Borbonicus wearing the flayed human skin. This one may not be a Warrior but she sounds far creepier.

In addition to the Tzitzimime, there were two other female demonic groups of creatures: tlahuelpuchi the vampires, Cihuateteo the undead mothers as it was already mentioned by other users.

It looks like the ancients were really afraid of Aztec ladies.

As for history, there is no record that they received a formal military training, but there are several articles about the siege of Tenochtitlan that mention warrior women throwing darts at the enemies.

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Not only this, there are no records of warriors riding animals in Aztec culture at all.

While it’s understandable to take some creative liberties in a mythological game, this particular choice still feels inaccurate and out of place, and a also a form of disprect towards those who are knowledgeable about the culture.

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I don’t think they’re going to do something that absurd. Putting female warriors into a society like that would be the most ridiculous thing to do. It would be like adding female hoplites for the Greeks.

Now ask GPT again, since that’s where you got this information from: where is the historically existing female warrior in Aztec society? (Goddesses don’t count, ok.)

No I am quite familiar with their myths. I didn’t ask ChatGPT, and I don’t need chatgpt to write a post in a discussion.Your reply is just embarrassing.

The op said this “I cant find any record of female warriors in their society or mythology”. My answer is half of those goddesses are either warriors or they are extremely creepy beings which are deadlier than normal warriors.

Again I answered the part with history as well. The women in that society didn’t receive any formal military training, but there are several articles about the Siege of Tenochtitlan that mention women joining fight against the invaders, which is quite expected since that’s their final stand. In addition to civilian turned female soldiers they had priestesses, and those priestesses were involved in ritual sacrifice.

In the AoM world Pharaoh’s and Priests take part in battles. Did Pharaoh’s throw magical sparkles at mythical creatures in real myths? Does the op have a problem with that too?

There are no Aztec Riders in their history or mythology, but it sounds like op is okay with that. He is just mad that the rider in the screenshot is a woman. At this point in the timeline that argument feels silly, we already had female Ulfsarks, Ragnarok heroes, Miko, etc Most of these posts give old men yelling at clouds energy, because they feel strangely fixated. Unless it’s strictly appealing to dream roster, they act like devs are personally attacking them.

Mikos and the Amazons might be new, but the Female Ragnarok heroes were there since the vanilla game, what changed? Reading some of these posts feels like a fever dream.

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I assume the mythology text of the unit (at least I think it’s a myth unit) will include background information, as usual. Maybe it is derived from really obscure passages of Aztec mythology (that are not available in English)? In case of the Japanese myth units, there are also some known from only a few or a single reference, who had heard about Honengyo before? Anyway, we’ll learn soon what the jaguar riders represent, I don’t expect them to be completely made up by the devs.

That is a bad example because the Egyptians are the worst civ in the game when it comes to mythology. They are basically based on 90s bible movies.

But I do agree it is stupid to get angry at the devs because they dare to include women in video games.

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I think they did this purely for gameplay readability. They needed some form of cavalry, and other AoE games focused more on historical accuracy and gave infantry a cavalry role, while they used AoM’s non-historical setting to take some creative liberties and add actual cav for readability.

Although a lack of cav would make the civ unique. So could go either way.

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The heck are you talking about i didn’t say i had a problem with Female Bezerkers or the Onna Musha

Like i said im fine with the cav it just warrior woman on it that feels off

Female Ulsarks and HOR are fine cause you have female villagers transform into them, Norse sagas have Shield Maidens to. Mikos are well priestess and that what they mainly do in the game though they can fight myth units well cause that pretty much what any sort of religious unit does in this game. Amazons are in Greek mythology

This is what i hope they are if they are a Myth Unit its fine

If you are okay with the female warriors from the other civs why even care about this one? I mean the game needs balance at the end of the day, creating a fictional female jaguar rider doesn’t feel that outlandish. Aztecs had priestesses too, and the Jaguars were quite important to their culture. Moctezuma had a Zoo with various wild animals and Jaguars. Having a some sort of Jaguar Priestess wouldn’t be too strange.

Your request just feels oddly specific. You are okay with real mythological and historical female warriors. You are okay with made up male warriors and myth units. (It seems) You are okay with female Ragnarok Heroes even though they are made up, because they are transformed from villagers.

But the combination of made up female warrior, trained from a building is angering you.

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Which made up male units are you referring to?

So you already knew and recalled all these stories and incredibly difficult names, both to pronounce and to type, off the top of your head? Okay.

Also, I didn’t say it was shameful to admit you used GPT; I just asked you to check whether there were historically female warriors. GPT is also a valid research tool, after all.