Balance suggestions for april patch

Not at all. saracens Feudal Archer rush into Castle Crossbows just ends games.

They now have half the benefit of Mayan Obsidian Arrows, without having to get a Castle an an UT.
Not to mention that Mamelukes just melt Eagles, Heavy Cavalry, Infantry and Siege.

Why don’t we see tournament play with saracens then?

No please, don’t nerf my favourite civ.

You do, but tehy will never be as popular as Khmer or Chinese, which are just good at everything.

you can say something as many times as you want, it doesnt become true…

please just run some tests.

ive run about 20 or more tests, with simultaneous fights of huskarl v shotel, some times lines vs lines, sometimes group vs group sometimes 1v1.

the lower the troop count the fairer it is with 1v1 depending on who hits first. in the larger battles the longer spread out lines the huskarls win more often, whereas in between its generally an either way, with huskarls tending to win

AND HUSKARLS ARE CHEAPER THAN SHOTTEL and do not contend with their primary tech line (shottel contend with both the siege and archer line for teching, which makes them even less viable in a team game)

100% agree, i think its almost pointless using viper as a benchmark of how good a faction actually is…

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They where my favorite civ before the buff. They are too good now

Ethiopians have Hussars and greater attack radius on their Mangonels, 2 very viable counter to Huskarls (Huskarls lose to Hussars easily). Not to meantion faster firing Archers, which go through the rest of the Goth Infantry, and even Huskarls if they are behind other troops.

Ethiopians have all the tools to beat Goths, including getting a resouirce boost every time they Age Up, which means that the Ethiopians player should always have a tech advantage over the Goths player, at least until mid-Imperial.

But no Bloodlines and no Plate barding armor…

Well, an eco bonus indeed beats no eco bonus.

They still beat Huskarls. Huskarls are only good against Archers, it is that sad.

Not to mention free Pikeman upgrade.
I wish they still had Free Halberdier, however.

Balance changes:

Byzantines

  • Greek Fire UT gives increased damaged vs Ram for Castles as well as +1 range to fire ships. Basically, the obsolete effect of Boiling Oil which the Persians lost becomes an additional effect.
  • Town Patrol is free
  • Either make bloodlines available or reduce the costs of Elite Cataphract Upgrade from 1600f and 800g to 1200f and 600g and Logistica from 1000f and 600g to 800f and 400g. I prefer Bloodlines.
  • Greek language for commands. (cosmetic change)

Goths

  • Infantry discount is 20% in Feudal Age, 35% in Feudal Age onwards
  • Perfusion reduces the cost of infantry by 5 food or Population cap increased by 10% and not +10.

Teutons

  • Teutonic Knights have base speed increased to 0.8 or increased to 0.8 with the Elite upgrade
    or
  • Elite Teutonic Knights receive +1 pierce armor.

Slavs

  • Elite boyars +1 melee armor.

Aztecs

  • Jaguar wariors -5f cost

Lithuanians
They feel quite lackluster while the missing last armor upgrade for halbs makes them poor trash units.

  • No longer receive +150food
  • Foragers gather 25% more food
  • Tower shields gives +2 melee armor to halbediers and hussars. Cost increased from 800f and 200g to 800f and 400g.
  • Relic bonus gives +1 attack per relic for knight line and cavarly archer line. Max +3.
  • Lose thumb ring.

That’s not true, Hussars only barely win with bloodlines and plate barding. We’re still talking about a unit with 12 attack and 70HP

way too cheap for an upgrade so good

yeah, throw out the one good thing about a civ

this is a worse version of the frank bonus

google what a tower shield is, a hussar can’t use it

absolutely broken, no thanks

actually, that now invalidates the cav archers. Congratulations, you ruined the civ

Solid suggestions, only things I really disagree with are a Jaguar+Samurai buff (both civs are already high tier, and both units have a good use as is). Don’t think the Rattan bonus could be implemented without creating a new armor class, but I guess that isn’t infeasible. Portuguese, Koreans, Magyars, Huns, Burmese, Malay could all use buffs.

Magyars are rock solid man. They’re so good that they’re good without an eco bonus

11, I don’t think you understand high level team games.

They were played once (and lost) in all of HC3 (qualifying and main event).

They really do need an eco bonus. Maybe every animal killed = 20 extra food (sheep, boars, wolves, etc). And Corvinian Army also lets the Magyar Huszar be trained at stables.

I just like the khmer , TURKS ANDI Indian

Read here-

With these changes to units every month, together with all other bad things, the players even can NOT see again their recorded games.

RTS games are never balanced around Team games.

Responding to everyone who is saying jaguar warriors need a buff: Please no! Aztecs are clearly a top 5 civ (in my opinion even in the top 3), they aren’t a civ that needs buffs.

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And Jaguars are already there as an Champion killer, and all other Infantry that can give your own Champions some trouble.

They truly need no buffs.

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