I suggested cheaper Upgrades, Not Units.
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Cheaper upgrades directly translates into more units taht benefit from those upgrades.
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It would make 0 sense for Byzantines
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I do agree with that. Both the CR and HCR can perhaps receive +20 HP. The same can be done to the ICR and Knight line as well. What do you think?
iâd be fine with this change.
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The update is getting close guysâŠ
i havenât seen any balance notes, my guess is this update just brings new maps.
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Patches usually drop a week after a server maintenance. The last server maintenance was on 7/7/2020.
I expect the patch to drop today on 14/7/2020.
Hopefully, this patch will include the path finding fix and lots of balance changes so that we donât need any others for some time.
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Yea also the announcement two weeks ago meant that the patch made a good progress ready to be released tomorrow (or today depending your hour).
Camels are an only cavalry counter, they would be OP if they could trade better against pikes.
So you basically want to revert back some of the nerfs steppe lancer got a few month ago, +30hp is way too much, you would have a 130hp unit for 55f/35g. They could get +10hp/+1 pierce armor as elite, would be reasonable.
Cav archers donât need this, they need less frame rate, microing them is a pain in the ass.
Ethiopians drush FC would be OP
Genoese crossbow serve his purpose by being an excellent counter to any cavalry unit, they donât need a buff, theyâre situational.
dude cmon 11, they would have instantly 7 pierce armor hussars in imp, and letâs not forget the 6 pierce armor knights in castle age, they would shred into pieces any archer civ and never die to TCs when raiding.
yeah sure buff them more 11
doesnât need any change, itâs fine like it is.
why not
Militia spam in dark age would be too strong and goth donât need cheaper infantry, they need something else like a small eco bonus.
Keshiks are fine, they train from castle and the elite upgrade is costly.
team bonus should be the free lama when starting the game
TA donât need to be stronger
too strong
Leitis are not that strong, i donât get it, itâs never used and you wanna nerf them 11
turtle ships definitely need a buff, but not that much, you canât reduce upgrades costs and buff the unit stats. Plus buffing archers so they have 11 attack is too strong, they would be OP against cavalry.
Portuguese need something to be stronger on water, +2 atack on caravels would make them strong against any type of ship. theyâre weaker then galleons against fast fire ship because their bonus against ships is only 7 compared to the 11 galleons have. What they could need is a wider projectile like the ethiopians got a patch or two ago. This would make them stronger is certain situations when ennemy ships are not stacking but surrounding your ships, making them weaker.
But you never mass them. Better training time is a must but +1 range and +1 attack are unneccesary
Ask pros. Leitis is completely broken. They are always used in Lithuanian army compositions if you have Castles. They are better and cheaper Paladins.
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could be interesting
With all the balancing going on in this game with the DE release its time to balance the Cataphract price/stats, I have Three options to make them viable: Anyone who says they are not expensive is silly no matter how you look at it. For equal resources you can make 50 (fifty) Hand Cannoniers for the same price as 1 (one) fully upgraded Elite Cataphract, just let that sink in for a moment (including buildings).
Option 1: Give Cataphracts all logistica upgrades when they research Elite tech
Option 2: Give cataphracts + 20 HP (bloodlines amount) to cataphracts with Logistica (total of 170 HP - still less than paladins)
Option 3: Make Elite and or Logistica cheaper
Reasons: its so expensive to be worthwhile if you are going to sink in all those resources including making casltes, upgrades ect it should be worth it.
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yeah a lot of people are quoting lith 1v1 win rates, but i would love to see their tg win ratesâŠ
Winrate doesnât matter!
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Donât know why everyone complain about Leitis. Yeah they are OP.
Mongols have OP Mangudai and nobody complains.
Keshiks are much cheaper Knights that producing gold.
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across every gaming system ive played ive seen people that dont understand stats say this⊠win rate isnt the governing factor, but it helps give a statistical representation when used in conjuction with other data
agreed, although people do also complain about the mangudai they dont auto win games
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What is going on with this camel topic??? Theyâre perfectly fine and have their place in the game.
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Just because we have broken units, it doesnât mean we should continue adding more. And I think all of those 3 units should be rebalanced. Leitis and keshiks need a cost increase, while mangudais need a straight up nerf to their anti-siege bonus, at the very least. Though probably not many people will agree with me I guessâŠ
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Iâd really love to see britons nerfed tbh. +1 range in castle, cheaper TCâs, bonus production in ranges. Too strong 
they should remove the bonus range in castle age and just give them the +1 in imperial age and reduce yeomen cost a bit.
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