And what were they famous for? And tibetans?
Its to imagine a civ that would make indians and tibetans fans happy
I wonder why some people here considered that the meaning of melee elephants is same as elephant archers?
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Call them Tufans and we might see them in the game 
The Realms mod had them and they were quite fun to play.
Discounted heavy cav upgrade with some kind of monk/monastery bonus ist how I would design them.
Yeah. Indians donāt need Battle Elephants. Iām fine with them not having them.
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I have been researching a bit, and found information about the Pala Empire. It was famous for their numerous elephants and they introduced the budhism in the Tibetan Empire. That could be a great āumbrella civā to represent the tibetans if needed, while also being an elephant indian civilization.
Since they brought elephants to war in high number, maybe they could have a bonus on elephant creation speed.
I donāt think it is a good idea to make an umbrella civilization to cover Tibetan and Indian. They are quite different. Elephants were not found in Tibet Plateau for example. It will again lead to poor design. Near Himalaya regions maybe similar to Tibetans but not mainland Indians.
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the problem about tibetans is that there is the possibility that chinese governent dont like them for some cultural reason and forbid the game in china if they became a independent civ, so the only form they can appear in game is under an umbrella civ.
This is a theory, i dont know if it is true or not.
nepali will be enough. They could be an spear-based civ.
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Aoe1 elephant archer is smaller and looks bad when its resized,boyar was the joan of arc unit with the arblest head.gegenoa xbow was a recolord hand cannon which lacked the death and rotting animation.
Only later they found people who can make 3d units.
If I remember correctly the heavy spearman unit in HD is still the old copy paste unit.
Call them Tufans or something. We can always edit the lang.dll later.
This is exactly the point of adding in non elite Battle elephants. It makes them more accurate and better in civ design, WHILE not at all risking Indians becoming OP a single bit.
Everyone is still going to go camels with Indians even after adding Battle elephants. You proved my own point.
This shows it is SAFE to add atleast regular battle elephants to Indians.
And no, nobody I know of is asking for special bonuses to Indian Battle elephants. So why do you assume I will ask for it later, Even though I AM SPECIFICALLY saying add no bonuses BE to Indians
honestly then whats the point, if youāre not gonna use them competitively why add it at all? Just add it through genie editor if you want it for single player stuff
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Both HCA and EBE cost gold but indians with sultanate are the second fastest gold mining civ, just behind turks.
However, i would be afraid more for a slow shatanagi HC +EBE comp (plus some trash). Could it be unstopable? Halberdiers couldnt get near EBE under HC long range fire,
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If you check the AI names you will find one of southern India.
and the indians History mentions all of those kingdoms.
thatās why the civ is named āIndiansā after all.
For the sake of a better civ design and the changing the poorly thought out Forgotten mod civ , by acknowledging the regular use of mahout elephants in India.
This will serve as acknowledging that history WITHOUT making a huge change to theor gameplay or making them OP(only regular BE).
Yes the Forgotten mod thinks they have added all of India. I dont dispute that. This thread is not about that.
If you have read the post this thread is about adding regular BE for Indians, NOT EVEN EBE, to acknowledge the history of them using mahout (MELEE) elephants in combat, without making them OP or changing their gameplay substantially.
This will make the poorly thought out cov design of the Indians that much better at virtually no cost. MUCH MUCH easier than adding new Indian civs.
This is the most accessible solution.
No need of EBE just BE would suffice to acknowledge the history and to make for a much better civ design ,also updating the horrible camel-only civ that Indian was made into.
The camel line is strictly better than just regular BE.
Honestly Iād rather they leave it as is instead of half assing this. The architectural and cultural inconsistencies already makes the civ a mess from a historic POV
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I think they feared adding melee Elephant UU would be too similar to the War Elephant until they felt adding it as a regional unit for Rajas civs as a good idea.
Honestly pros only use Imp Camels because its their only usable power unit in the arsenal and its easier to spam. Elephants have much larger and better bonus to buildings (stone ones too)btw. The building bonus is just to compensate their lower attack against TCs.
why did Mongols receive the 130% HP Steppe Lancers? Very soon Steppe Lancers are going to be made viable too.
Says who? I donāt see another buff coming at all
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I donāt deny that, though I definitely understand the feeling that having āIndiansā as a civ is like having āFranksā for all Europe and be done with it.
I think that a second civ using Indian architecture representing the Southern part would be a nice way to slightly better represent India, like we have Bulgarians for Southern Slavs or Tatars for the Central Asian Turcomongols.
If they consider to make a new expansion set in Asia (I personally would prefer to explore Africa and America a bit more though), Iād probably put in Tamils or Cholas alongside Tufans, Jurchens and Siamese. I personally would love to see some civs from Central/South Africa (Zimbabweans, Kongolese, Yoruba, Somali, Swahili,ā¦) and some from North (Mississippians, Pueblo, early Iroquois,ā¦) and South America (Chimor, Muisca, Mapuche, Tupi, ā¦).
Tufans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Empire
Tufan Empire at itās height: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hDzOh0JU8es/VJ1WgOlNg8I/AAAAAAAAGHE/LR5xjO6PGnY/s1600/Tibet700ad.png
Jurchen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people
Jurchen Empire: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/images/map-1127.jpg
Siamese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_people
Sukhotai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhothai_Kingdom#/media/File:Southeast_Asian_history_-_13th_century.png
Chola Empire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty
Chola: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty#/media/File:Rajendra_map_new.svg
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