Battle Elephants for the Indians

[JonOli12]

@FurtherLime7936

Yes the Balance and gameplay are important but this is historical based game afterall (Or you want a civ like RTW Bronze age Egyptians??)

Bad argument, Celts and Franks already have anachronous Iron Age UUs, and Vikings is a Fantasy civilization.

[FurtherLime7936]

@JonOli12

Vikings is a Fantasy civilization.

Vikings represent norsemen people cmon

[JonOli12]

Then they would be Norse, but the devs chose Vikings. It was likely chosen because it is popular and would draw kids in.

This game was never about representation, it was always about gameplay with a bit of History on the side.

[JoJo9942]

except Mongols already have hussars and knights, and lancers don’t really make any difference in their playstyle, they were a novelty addition. And calling lancers with +1 attack “improved” is a joke. That’s like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound, why would anyone complain about it

[PskWarrior3206]

Malay is a mix of tamil and SE Asians I believe. The initial part of the campaign is based on Suryavarman who has tamil roots.

[CactusSteak2171]

@FurtherLime7936

I found that arguments against Indian BEs are nearly similar to those against Mongol Steppe Lancer (Game Balance, Too OP, Too Broken, etc). and then when the update was released none cared

Actually some people did start to complain Mongols had “no weakness” and “too good of a Castle age” only after it was introduced, but it proved to be false as well. Iirc I might have been among the misguided, but for my defense there was 1 month of OP steppe lancer to make me (and some others) warry 11 As of this very subject I hope I can at least make the difference between how you play a melee ele unit and a camel unit.

@FurtherLime7936

Vikings represent norsemen people cmon

Dude their UU’s got a horned helmet 11

@JoJo9942

That’s like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound, why would anyone complain about it

If that’s was how people cured bullet wounds I hope there would be complains 11

@PskWarrior3206

The initial part of the campaign is based on Suryavarman

??? If you meant Raden Wijaya (Raden Wijaya - Wikipedia) he is from Java

[PskWarrior3206]

Not sure but may be I am mistaken with the Khmer campaign

[PeakHornet46539]

While I appreciate Greg Street, I don’t think he knows a lot about the history of the medieval era that a number of people on this forum do.

[PeakHornet46539]

You are mistaken. Yes. Please make sure you have the facts on simple things like this before making a hullabaloo here.

[PskWarrior3206]

No I am mistaken with the name of the Civ but the fact remains true that there is an element of tamil Civ in the malay and khmer. Early khmer rulers were descendents of tamil rulers.either Pallava or Chola.

[Juggernaut8704]

@PskWarrior3206

tamil rulers.either Pallava or Chola.

Pallava were more Telugu than Tamil.

Chola were the Tamils

[Parthnan]

@JokerPenguin593

Maybe they can do both things: add non_elite battle elephant and also add an elephant bonus that affect both units. For example: elephants are created 15% faster.

This. It would solve the issues with the current Indian civilization. In fact, no need of bonus either.

Indians as they are could get just regular BE and it would solve many issues.

[PeakHornet46539]

Tabariyya would be the axe-armed Muslim soldiers, Ghulams would be good to have too. Sassanian knights are in the game as Savar cavalry. We really need the Imam to be the Middle Eastern priest though. And a Middle Eastern Queen. I also second you on the Mounted Templar (lance), Hospitaller (mace) warriors too. It would add so much. Maybe throw in a few East Asian themed units too.

Also caravan camels (bactrian and dromedary camels) which can be like donkeys as an alternative trade unit. Also more animals like pandas, chubby hippos and tapirs (instead of a javelina which is a boar anyway)

[JokerPenguin593]

Here you have an elephant indian game…

[TheDarkness3673]

Make elephants that they have melee and just shoot arrows (like if they had a tower on the back :D) at the targets closest or targeted enemy

[JonOli12]

This is not possible in the engine.
For example: you could never make a Warrior Monk that fights and Converts, because Conversion is already the unit’ attack, and the engine allows for only one attack.

[MatCauthon3]

@Parthnan

@NumberHornet376

Such a drastic change may not be well recieved by the conservative part of the community.

But it will be welcomed by most of the community (as you said , 90%, the casual players)

Got a source to back this up?

[Gaudio3342]

@NumberHornet376

So many threads about this civ’s design is a hint that a significant part of the community is not satisfied with it, mainly from the casual and half competitive half casual players who makes, I would say, about 90% of the player base if not more.

I apologize for any misundesrtanding with this “90%” statement. English is not my first language.
I didn’t mean that 90% of the playerbase is not satisfied with indians’ design. What I tried to say is that casual and semi-casual players make about 90% of the playerbase and it’s from that group, and not for the competitive sector, where people claiming for historical and themathic issues to get resolved comes from.
I didn’t stated this with total security either. It was just a guess, hence the “I would say”

Still the claim keeps the same. I’ve seen about 4 topics about indians’ design and no other except for a popular portuguese one that was trending some months ago

[Gaudio3342]

Man, I would pay for an editor dlc that includes lots of units, buildings, terrain, trees, animals, eyecandies, for the editor. Imagine the scenarios and custom campaigns that could be created

[MatCauthon3]

@NumberHornet376

@NumberHornet376

So many threads about this civ’s design is a hint that a significant part of the community is not satisfied with it, mainly from the casual and half competitive half casual players who makes, I would say, about 90% of the player base if not more.

I apologize for any misundesrtanding with this “90%” statement. English is not my first language.
I didn’t mean that 90% of the playerbase is not satisfied with indians’ design. What I tried to say is that casual and semi-casual players make about 90% of the playerbase and it’s from that group, and not for the competitive sector, where people claiming for historical and themathic issues to get resolved comes from.
I didn’t stated this with total security either. It was just a guess, hence the “I would say”

Still the claim keeps the same. I’ve seen about 4 topics about indians’ design and no other except for a popular portuguese one that was trending some months ago

I understood what you were saying and I completely agree. The mass majority of the player base is casual. Heck I’m one of them. I’m not contesting that at all.

I was contesting parthnans claim that the majority of people would welcome an indians redesign, because frankly I don’t see it.

The ones who probably do care are those from India and the ones who are super into history and think history should matter more then balance does.

I don’t think it needs to be explained how small that group is.