Celts Split

After the upcoming Viking split, I believe the next major civilization split should be the Celts.

A possible direction could be:

Irish
Scottish
Welsh (if enough unique material exists)

Ireland, Scotland, and Wales each developed their own kingdoms, warfare, identities, and historical legacies over many centuries. Lumping them into a single “Celts” civilization no longer reflects the level of historical detail that AoE2 has reached.

The Viking split shows that the developers are willing to replace broad umbrella civilizations with more specific ones. Following that philosophy, the Celts should be the next logical candidate.

After the Viking expansion, I think this should be one of the highest priorities for future DLC.

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Its a nice idea but there are other missing civis that are not splits who can and should be added before irish or scots.

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I’m actually surprised that the DLC is so Germanic-focused. I expected at least one Finnic civ in the east or more Celts.

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Sad Finland voices from me and five Finnish fans.

Wishful thinking a Finnish unit is added in editor.

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no.

the viking split is a bad idea, a celt split would be too

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Hard disagree. I can concede the Viking split was unnecessary, but Celts are at best a pop culture caricature. They don’t belong in a history-inspired game no matter how “not meant to be accurate” it is.

Like seriously, a Gaulish/Pictish warrior as their UU? And the elite skin gives him gold armor and a stone-looking shield?

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oh, the Celts are complete nonsense historically. But they are fun to play and have a clear identity. If these devs touch them, they are going to fuck up yet another classic civ.

I have no issue with them renaming them, and renaming their UU. Everything gameplay related should stay the same though

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That I can agree with. New name and model for Woad Raider, move the classic model to scenario editor.

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Same for Korean War Wagon!

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And Gbeto! Twenty characters!

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Celts should not be split. They can have a second UU or building or whatnot to enhance their gameplay as it is an older civ.

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Nah screw that defense. Stop acting like Ensemble never made a mistake.

If we ever get something similar to The Viking Sagas for the Celts they should at least get a rename. I don’t understand why the devs refuse to rename Slavs and Vikings.

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For representation, they could just add “Irish warriors”, “Scottish warriors” (placeholder names) to be used in scenarios, similar to the Eastern Swordsman and it should be enough. No need to split everybody.

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Sure! After we split Teutons to all HRE provinces, Saracens and Turks to every possible emirate and dynasty, Japanese clans, Italian city states, Poles, Lithuanians, Bulgarians, Burgundians, Franks and Britons. /s

Every time the devs are willing to split another AoK/AoC civ from the endless splitslop requests then we’ll all deserve another 3 Kingdoms slop with more unwanted content.

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It could be done by adding migration era civis like Suebi(Swabia) Bavarii(Bavaria) Alamanni Helveti etc.

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That’s not what I mean. I don’t want a civ split because we have other civs that are not in the game at all. Civs from Africa, Middle East, Asia, North-Meso America.

My argument is that older civs need to be refreshed with 2nd UU or Unique Buildings or regional buildings and units.

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I could agree with that, but I still think woad raiders should be reskinned and renamed.

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Celts isn’t an awfully specific term like Germans (which isn’t what the game use anyway), it’s like if Indians were still around representing all of India despite all those people not being that closely related. It’s the same problem as with Slavs still being around.

And since AoK we’ve had 3 Germanic civs anyway (Teutons, Vikings and Goths), having a few more Celtic civs wouldn’t kill vanilla players.

Yeah I don’t understand why they refuse to touch Africa and Mesoamerica again (and the Meso set needs a revamp to stop looking like abandoned buildings).

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the next DLC is African themed.

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And why would having a few Balkan civs instead of the Viking split would kill vanilla players then?