Me: Ooh, new patch. I hope Koreans get a buff, maybe extending their wood discount to siege weapons.
Patch:
Dravidians: Siege weapons cost -33% wood
Also patch:
Koreans: nothing
Me: …
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Elite Turtle Ship +1 range. And they got Gaberson.
Yeah, they need more on land.
At this point I’d swap Koreans free archer armor with Ethiopians free Pikeman. Maybe even free halberdier too.
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Imagine all those of the “no celts, Vikings and other solo-infantry civ are fine they don’t need a buff”-gang when they see this PUP lol. Finally a list of good changes for suboptimal or boring civs
Missed opportunity to make THS and champion cheaper tough, and not sure on sicilian change. Does not seem like a clear buff atm
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Actually no accounting for their cost they are slightly better than galley but not that much stronger. They are easier to micro, that’s it
Ah okay.
I think Dravidians is fine now though. 33% is huge discount when you have 400 free wood. Feels like they will be better than Bengalis in all maps. (Yes even in Arena).
So there are now two outlines for range indicator for the Celtic Castles?
How do you guys see the siciliana change? It feels like an hit and miss for me atm. Feel like their TB could be a little more useful since they are not a naval civ, and serjeants/donjons still are expensive
Also i did not get if the Stone change is in addition to the existing or in Exchange. If the latter, It would be bad…
I have a feeling that MAA+Tower into Castle drop into Kamauyk will be broken, especially in some TG maps.
Dravidians now have 33% cheaper wood onager with SE which flattens tightly packed kamayuks
What stone bonus change? I think they get the extra stone once you have a TC. So no difference outside of Nomad.
What? They got SE now?
It is unclear to me if they start with 100 Stone AND get 100 extra after you build a TC or if is just a nomad change like you sayd.
If It is just a nomad change, sicilians would still struggle economically since not llr serjeants or donjons got cheaper and if you want to get advantage of donjons new buff you need to build one which consumes stone for TCs. It saves 175 wood from barracks yes but really should cost a bit less than now, and hoardings buff is something you pay for and is late in the game. Still think they need at least 25 res cost cut
On dravidians, i was convinced they got SE 
i might be wrong. Even still, cheaper onager feels like a good counter to kamayuks so the point stands
Even with 25% faster created and firing siege, Celts suck. Siege is no match for cavalry. Unless scorpion has a range increase or firing rate increase, Siege is not in a good place now. Just discounted Siege will not help Dravidians especially in castle age. I guess like Bengalis Devs could have given +2 bonus attack vs cavalry for Dravidians.
What they needed was a 30-40% speed boost to at least battle elephant if not all elephants. What they have gotten is a slav siege like bonus which slavs themselves don’t use much. Since Armoured elephant nerf, it doesn’t make sense to put down a Siege workshop as Dravidians.
Incas military discount has been poorly done. They have nerfed Gujjaras Kshatriyas bonus and have given a better version for free. That’s just stupid.
Dravidians don’t need Siege to take out kamayuks. They already have better infantry and urumi. They should push with mass urumi and BBC support.
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Does this affect champ-like UUs like Jaguars, Samurai, TKs, etc.? If it is just militia, there is now even less reason to make those already niche UUs.
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Already proposed this as a new generic tech.
Pair your siege with infantry and you will be good. Pikeman upgrade is cheaper now. Also LS is not dying to archer that easily.
Absolutely.
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Good changes ####### but I have some notes:
In which world Ethiopians need a buff?
Too much buff
Not enough. Food cost should be higher
Good nerf but should be 5% for all ages. Also their stable discount needs a nerf
No nerf for the 50% stable discount still?
I wonder if we can call this a nerf. It is like a buff and makes their starting easier.
Good nerfs but I think Shrivamsha dodge ability should not inculde the melee attacks
In which world Lithuanians need a buff?
In which world Vikings need a buff?
Where is Franks nerfs? Where is Huns nerf? Ironically they got a buff! Where is Mayans and Aztecs nerfs? Where is Byz nerf? Ironically they also got a buff. Where is Hindustanis nerf? Where is Coustillier nerf?
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Very big discount this is insane discount.
Not enough buff. The Arambai itself should be cheaper and also their IMP UT need a replace
I know Portugese needs a nerf, but this is a very big kill to their UU, maybe make it 12(16) instaed of 7(9). Also their gold discount eith their open tech tree and faster techs are more danagerous than their guns. They should at least nerfed the gold discount.
This is a nerf, it was 150 starting food before. 50 food at the beginning of the game is way more important than 100-200 food later on.
Haha, whoops. I missed this.
Not sure about this. Despite what I said about the siege discount, I think they really need help earlier in the game. In some sense free Pikeman is probably better than free archer armour, but since it doesn’t come in until Castle Age, it might actually be a nerf.
So they removed the +150F from the start? Then it is ok and good nerf. I agree with that since their start was broken