Concerns regarding the Jin Dynasty: Voiceline (And acts of historical distortion)

One issue that arose in Age of Empires 2 was that the Jurchens spoke modern Chinese. Of course, the Jurchen language they used at the time has been lost. However, Manchu, which is very similar, still has speakers, even if it is on the verge of extinction. It would be possible to create voice lines based on their language.

However, the bigger problem lies in World’s Edge Studio recently releasing DLC ​​tailored to the tastes of Chinese players. Let’s examine the context first. You may have heard about China’s attempts to distort asian history. These are acts of incorporating the histories of other Asian ethnic groups—such as Korea (Northeast Project), Tibet (Southwest Project, or Tibet Project), and Uyghurs (Northwest Project)—into Chinese history to justify their invasion and domination. The Manchus are also victims of such historical distortion and assimilation policies(= ethnic annihilation), and their language and culture is currently on the brink of extinction. World’s Edge Studio committed the disgraceful act of supporting these policies by having the Jurchens speak modern Chinese in Age of Empires 2. They even took the lead in distorting history in the AOE2 Three Kingdoms DLC by claiming the Korean Peninsula was Chinese territory (image above, although they later corrected it). Since AOE4 is a game influenced by World’s Edge Studio, there is a possibility that they might commit the same inconsiderate act.

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Let me add a bit more context here: strictly speaking, while the Jurchen language of the Jin Dynasty and the Manchu language of the Qing Dynasty share the same roots—both originating from the Sushen-Mohe languages and belonging to the Tungusic branch of the Altaic family—they aren’t exactly the same thing.

Although there aren’t many Manchu speakers left today (mostly scholars specializing in Qing history), it’s still a language you can systematically learn. However, spoken Jurchen in the strict sense is pretty much impossible to fully reconstruct. We actually rely on the Nüzhen Yiyu, compiled during the Ming Dynasty, for what we know about ancient Jurchen.

As for the writing systems, they are completely different. Jurchen script was modeled after Chinese characters and the Khitan script, whereas Manchu borrowed the Mongolian alphabet centuries later. Jurchen script was used from 1119 to 1234 (and basically went extinct during the Mongol conquests), while Manchu has been in use from 1599 to the present day.

Here are some pics for reference. The first one shows 13th-century Jurchen script, while the second is 17th-century Manchu. You’ll notice they look vastly different.

As for the claim that China is trying to “incorporate” the history of other Asian ethnic groups… well, I have to say, this is an incredibly complex historical legacy.

You have to remember that, to this day, China isn’t a nation-state in the strict Westphalian sense. The system it inherited from the Central Empire is actually closer to ancient Rome. The Chinese Emperor was nominally the ruler of the entire world (back when people didn’t even know the shape of the Earth). The title was based on divine right, not on being an ethnic leader. Similar states included the Ottoman and Russian Empires before their collapse.

Modern China has inherited this vast territory that integrates so many different ethnic groups. For many people in these remote regions, rather than feeling that Han people “invaded” their land, they historically viewed themselves as subjects of the Chinese Emperor for hundreds or even thousands of years. So, telling them it was an “invasion” would actually confuse them. After all, unlike Koreans—who constructed a modern nation-state under the assistance of external forces including Japan to breaking away from the Chinese Emperor’s ruling system—these groups have a completely different historical trajectory.

So, circling back to the question of what voice lines the Jin Dynasty should use: my suggestion is this—even though Manchu differs quite a bit from historical Jurchen, and true spoken Jurchen is lost to time, using Manchu audio for the Jin would still be a solid option if they have the resources. After all, this is a game, not a rigorous documentary.

That’s exactly what I wanted to say. After all, this is just a game; we don’t need to drag political correctness and ethnic grievances into everything.

Believe it or not, there are actually quite a few players within China who feel a strong aversion to the Jin and Qing dynasties. For thousands of years, tribes from beyond the Great Wall continuously raided Chinese territories and constantly forced Chinese people to shave their heads. To the Han Chinese, hair is precious—adults traditionally don’t cut it, only tying it up into a bun for convenience. The Qing Dynasty builded by Manchu violently enforced this shaving process to Chinese people in the 17th century. That’s why, in the Western imagination, Chinese people are often depicted with that “half-shaved” look.

This history is actually viewed as a humiliation by the Chinese themselves. In terms of traditional appearance, Koreans and Vietnamese are actually closer to the historical Han Chinese image.

But regardless, that is all in the past. I don’t think these historical legacies should affect the friendship between different ethnic groups today. We need to remember history, but we shouldn’t hold onto hatred.

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I certainly know what you’re referring to, dude. It perfectly illustrates the ideological difference between a strict, single-nation state under the Westphalian system and a traditional multi-ethnic empire.

More communication and understanding are definitely necessary. That’s why I’m not just parroting ideological propaganda from either side. The world is chaotic enough, and there have been far too many meaningless casualties. I don’t want to drag those conflicts into a game; honestly, most people here aren’t that hung up on it anyway.

As for the Jurchen civ using Manchu, like I said, I support that approach. After all, it contributes to historical authenticity. I even think that to cater to the preferences of players from different countries, we could totally give the same civ different skins. For example, Chinese could easily be reskinned with Korean visuals and voice lines, given how similar the two cultures are. This could definitely serve as a fresh approach for new DLCs, just like they did in SC2.

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AFAIK, OP is Korean. Apparently, he knows little about what Chinese gamers’ tastes actually are. At least it should say it’s the government’s taste.

But in the first place:

Is it really needed to escalate this to a political level? You know the AoE2 DLC was a half-baked one, right? There was no new voice lines added in that DLC: Jurchens using the same as Chinese, Khitans using the same as Mongols. I think it’s simply a result of limited budget or time, so they cut corners. Game studios can also make (unintentional) mistakes. No need to over-react to it.

I agree with what @SamuelWallace17 said, the history of ethnic groups is a complex problem. If you can time travel and interview people at that time, do you know what they would say? It cannot be oversimplied to modern narrations from either side, China or Korea.

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Regarding the Jin Dynasty Language:


There isn’t much information available yet, especially since the trailer doesn’t show any unit speech. Besides, it’s been a while (2022) since we’ve had a base civilization.

Maybe we might not know until launch day.

In any case, we could ask similar questions of those we had when the Eastern Dynasties DLC came out:

  • Many of us wondered why the Golden Horde had Ovvos instead of Mosques. In the end, the developers stated that they represent an early period of the Golden Horde, before their conversion to Islam (which is theoretically true).

In this case, it’s good that we ask for clarification of the Languaje.

If they went to the trouble of giving Mohe attributes to the Jin in the early ages (Reindeer in the Town Center, Reindeer Caravan, Mohe Archer), they should also have the Jurchen language, at least for the early ages.

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I have seen two statements repeatedly on these forums, and honestly, I’m so tired of it:

1. “World’s Edge chose X because Chinese players like X”

Remember, China has over 1 billion population with diverse voices and opinions, and those opinions =/= the official opinion of the government. It’s not a single, monolithic thing. As a Chinese I don’t even know what my neighbors are thinking about. Claiming “Chinese like X Y Z“ is huge generalization, and sometimes a misunderstanding, especially many people saying so are not Chinese or even Asians themselves

And then comes the second statement:

2. “World’s Edge chose X because of the government’s propaganda/censorship“:

Yes, propaganda and censorship do exist to some extent, but they cannot be the automatic explanation for every decision World’s Edge makes. Sometimes it’s just incompetence, sometimes budget constraints, sometimes a mix of practical factors. You can’t reduce everything to propaganda. And I doubt sometimes if World’s Edge (as a US studio) even know about all these details and controversies.


As for the topic itself, I don’t want Jurchens to speak Chinese either. I remember reading a book Yue Fei’s Legend when I was a kid, and there are some images in the book which depict warriors of Jin Dynasty like purple skinned Saruman’s orcs. Do I want them to speak Chinese then?

Most scholars can read but cannot speak. In most cases, the purpose of learning Manchu language is simply to read historical materials, does not involve learning how to speak it.

Don’t attribute to malice what can be attributed to laziness. The very image you posted shows many other civs in AoE2 also have serious issues with their voicelines. Byzantines speaking Latin isn’t a result of some hidden Italian agenda.

It’s even dumber: they recorded multiple unique unit lines for each campaign hero (not just the protagonists of each campaign, I mean secondary heroes like Zhou You or Cao Ren).

The game does not distort history. The Korean Peninsula was once Chinese territory. China is a unified multi-ethnic country. The histories of various ethnic groups within the modern Chinese territory have jointly created Chinese history. China has 56 ethnic groups, including Uyghurs, Mongolians, Manchus (partially inherited from the Jurchens), Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, Kazakhs, Russians, etc.The name “Han” comes from the Han Dynasty. Because of the power of the Han Dynasty, later Chinese people called themselves Han people. After the Han Dynasty, Han people integrated with multiple ethnic groups, including some Xianbei, Xiongnu, Turkic, Jurchen, Khitan, Manchurian, Mongolian, Dangxiang, Baiyue, and so on. Why? Because they all aspired to the Huaxia civilization and sincerely integrated into the Han ethnic group. Therefore, Han people from different regions have slightly different appearances because they have integrated with some different ethnic groups, although the number is not large. Are you from the Korean Peninsula? It is difficult for a small single-ethnic country to understand the history of a large country. Being an ethnic minority does not mean you are not Chinese. China is a multi-ethnic country, and your Korean ethnic group is also one of the 56 ethnic groups in China. Interestingly, South Koreans identify the Fuyus who once established the Goguryeo regime in Northeast China as their ancestors. The Fuyus are an ethnic minority in Northeast China, not a Korean Peninsula ethnic group. You have mistaken your ancestors and identified a foreign ethnic group as your ancestor.

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Thank you for sharing your perspective. I’d like to respond in a friendly but more thorough way.

I guess you come from South Korea—a largely homogenous nation. It may be genuinely difficult to fully grasp the complexity and inclusiveness of China’s multi-ethnic reality. China’s 9.6 million square kilometers have witnessed thousands of years of continuous ethnic integration and cultural exchange. While the Han are the numerical majority, our 56 ethnic groups live together in mutual respect, forming one big Chinese national family. This is often described as “unity in diversity”—the 56 groups are the “diverse,” and the Chinese nation is the “unified.” Neither can be separated from the other.

Regarding your accusations of “history distortion” and “assimilation policy”: these appear to be long-standing narratives promoted by certain Korean media. You mentioned something called the “Northeast Project”—I have never heard of this term in China. China does have an academic research initiative called the “Northeast China Frontier History and Current Status Research Project,” but it is purely an internal academic discussion conducted by Chinese scholars. Chinese leaders have already reached a five-point consensus with South Korean leaders to keep historical research within the academic realm and not let it affect modern state relations. The idea that this academic project is a “Chinese conspiracy to distort Asian history” is a fabrication pushed by certain Korean media and activist groups. In China, no such concept exists.

Regarding ethnic cultural protection, let me be clear: China goes to what some might call “extreme” lengths to protect minority cultures. Our laws explicitly state: “All ethnic groups have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages”. We have systematic policies dedicated to the protection, use, and development of minority languages. Take Manchu for example: although endangered, the state has implemented specific protection measures. We have also launched the “China Language Resources Protection Project,” which includes systematic collection and preservation of minority languages. Even the smallest ethnic group has at least one representative in the National People’s Congress. In addition to Han characters, RMB banknotes display Mongolian, Tibetan, Uyghur, and Zhuang scripts.

This might be hard for someone from a homogenous nation to imagine, but in China, we don’t crudely label minority cultures as simply “Chinese culture.” We make clear distinctions—Mongolian culture is Mongolian, Tibetan culture is Tibetan, Uyghur culture is Uyghur. The recent controversy over bibimbap (stone pot mixed rice) is a perfect example: Chinese people have always called it “Chaoxian (Korean ethnic) cuisine”—never simply “Chinese food.” We recognize that Chaoxian culture and Korean culture share the same roots. In fact, the South Korean government only officially reclassified Chinese Koreans from “foreign workers” to “compatriots abroad” in February 2025. Before that, Korea itself didn’t even acknowledge their kinship.

Regarding the Jurchen language in Age of Empires II: this is standard practice in the gaming industry for practical and budgetary reasons—Celts speak modern English, Koreans speak modern Korean. The Jurchen language is extinct, and while Manchu is related, it’s not the same language with very few speakers. Expecting any game studio to record voice lines for a long-dead language is unrealistic.

Finally, the decline of Manchu is the result of historical processes and modernization, including natural sinicization in the late Qing period, not an “assimilation policy.” In reality, modernization itself causes the decline of many traditional cultures—including Han Chinese culture. This is a global challenge. China’s role is to find a balance between modernization and cultural preservation, a complex process no country has perfectly solved.

I hope this helps provide a fuller picture.

BTW,You claim that China includes the histories of the Korean,Uyghur, Tibetan, Mongolian, and Manchu peoples as a way to “justify invasion and rule.” That argument completely reverses historical reality.

Let’s start with geography. For thousands of years, the Han Chinese have lived in the Central Plains—the most fertile and livable region in East Asia, with vast plains, hills, a mild climate, and advanced agriculture. Meanwhile, the Mongols lived on arid grasslands, the Uyghurs in the Gobi Desert, and the Tibetans on the high, cold, oxygen-poor Tibetan Plateau. Why would the Han Chinese want to “invade” those harsh, agriculturally poor lands? It makes no logical sense. On the contrary, it was the surrounding nomadic peoples who repeatedly raided and even conquered the Central Plains, driven by survival pressures and the lure of richer lands.

History is full of examples where the Central Plains were occupied by non-Han peoples: the Northern and Southern Dynasties (the Sixteen Kingdoms), the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms, the Yuan Dynasty (Mongol), and the Qing Dynasty (Manchu). But here’s the fascinating part: nearly every one of these conquerors was eventually deeply attracted to Han Chinese culture and underwent voluntary or natural assimilation. For example:

  • Emperor Xiaowen of the Northern Wei (Xianbei) implemented sweeping sinicization reforms: moving the capital to Luoyang, banning Xianbei clothing, changing clan names to Han surnames, and mandating Chinese as the court language.

  • The Jin Dynasty (Jurchen), after conquering northern China, quickly adopted Han political systems, established imperial exams, employed Han officials, and even took Han concubines. The majority of their subjects were Han. After the Jin fell, many Jurchen nobles changed their surnames to Han ones (e.g., Wanyan → Wang, Yan, etc.), fully merging into Chinese civilization.

  • The Qing Dynasty (Manchu) emperors were all educated in Han classics from childhood. By the late Qing, many Manchu aristocrats could no longer speak Manchu—even Puyi, the last emperor, spoke it poorly.

This shows a simple truth: the core attraction of Chinese civilization has always been its advanced economy, culture, and institutions—not military conquest. When these non-Han regimes are included in Chinese history, it is not “distortion” or “justification.” It is a recognition of historical reality: they themselves chose to assimilate, and their descendants naturally became part of the Chinese nation.

Today, just ask an ethnic Mongolian in Inner Mongolia: do they identify more with Mongolia or with China? The answer is clear. The same goes for most Uyghurs in Xinjiang and Tibetans in Tibet. This is the result of thousands of years of ethnic integration, not propaganda. A country like South Korea, with a long tradition of ethnic homogeneity, may find it hard to grasp the “unity in diversity” logic of China’s history. But please do not project a single-ethnicity mindset onto a multi-ethnic reality.

AoE2 recorded lines for Muisca, AoE4 for medieval Middle Chinese. Everything is possible if the devs are not lazy.

Edit: the “chill out Xi” line was from a discarded reply to another user, not this one. Sorry for not noticing it made its way into this post.

I was going to say, people do Latin lines for Romans all the time. As an American I know of dozen upon dozen of ‘extinct languages’ that undergo revitalization, ie indigenous languages. I don’t believe language or culture can ever fully be killed, even if a colonizing power wishes it to be so.

Less spicy take: a new civilization should mean new voice lines.

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The agricultural populations centered around Huaxia culture formed the core of Chinese civilization, and this culturally central group has historically been referred to as the Han. This identity appears to have been substantially established as early as the Han dynasty.

The problem lies in the fact that the ethnic and historical concepts used by the People’s Republic of China today are projected backward onto the past as if they had always existed in the same form.

The worldview of past Chinese dynasties was fundamentally based on the Hua-Yi distinction—that is, the distinction between the civilized center and the surrounding non-Han peoples—and groups outside the Han were clearly perceived as foreign or non-Han. Historically, the lands beyond the Great Wall, especially those north of Shanhaiguan, were referred to as Guanwai (“outside the pass”) and were strictly distinguished from the Han sphere. Ignoring this context and retroactively applying today’s political concepts of ethnicity and territory to the past is closer to historical reconstruction than to historical interpretation.

Furthermore, the fact that the CCP refers to non-Han groups as “ethnic minorities” reveals that, while outwardly professing to be a multi-ethnic state, it still operates on an underlying Han-centric perspective. In this sense, the current system can be seen as an extension of the traditional Hua-Yi worldview.

The Qing dynasty serves as a prime example of this distinction. As a conquest dynasty centered on the Manchu people, the Qing discriminated against the Han and maintained a clear and separate identity.

They viewed themselves not as a mere part of Zhonghua, but as its rulers or possessors. The emergence of slogans such as Mieman Xinghan (“Destroy the Manchu, Restore the Han”) in late Han society demonstrates that the Han themselves perceived the Manchus as a distinct and alien group.

However, the CCP’s historical narratives tend to emphasize only instances of “ethnic fusion” while intentionally downplaying or ignoring the countless historical conflicts between the Han and non-Han groups. This can hardly be considered a balanced historical narrative. Throughout history, countless Han people were killed and suppressed by non-Han groups.

Ultimately, the CCP’s modern historical perspective possesses a dual structure: internally, it emphasizes the Han as the centripetal force of Zhonghua, while externally, it attempts to subsume all ethnicities and past regimes within its current borders into the category of “Chinese history” as defined by the CCP.

In other words, it asserts Han-centrism for internal cohesion while adopting an expansionist narrative that absorbs the history of non-Han regimes and neighboring peoples in order to justify its current territorial reach.

If this logic is followed to its conclusion, contradictions also arise regarding the Taiwan issue. If the CCP insists on a territory-based view of history, it must explain why it unilaterally defines Taiwan’s history and identity as its own.

The claim that Taiwan is part of the PRC is strictly the political position of the CCP, and it cannot be presented as a universal historical truth.

Such contradictory ambitions on the part of the CCP are a grave matter and could potentially lead to military conflict with neighboring countries, including Japan, South Korea, and the United States.

Furthermore, while the CCP seeks to inherit the vast territory and geopolitical rights of the Qing dynasty, it has shown a selective attitude toward treaties and debts incurred during the Qing era.

It adopts a logic of “selective succession”—claiming the legacies that benefit it while disavowing those that are disadvantageous.

This contradictory stance has led to ongoing issues in the United States regarding the repayment of historical sovereign debt.

Such contradictory views on history and ethnicity inevitably lead to friction with neighboring countries such as Korea, Mongolia, and Vietnam. The CCP’s attempts to absorb the history and identities of neighboring nations into its own framework of “regional history” or “minority history” are not fundamentally different from the methods once used by imperialist powers that mobilized academia and historiography for political ends. This is also one of the reasons why neighboring countries remain wary of such efforts.

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You should apply your bizarre theory to Russia and the United States. China is not a country that inherits through bloodline. If you don’t understand history, you should study hard and improve yourself, rather than making a fool of yourself here.

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This “bizarre theory” is not my personal opinion. It is a critique of the contradictions within the CCP’s own historical and political narrative.

If China is not a state based on bloodline, then why does the CCP continue to distinguish between the Han majority and so-called ethnic minorities?

Ultimately, the structure of Zhonghua-centered ideology cannot avoid being Han-centric. While the CCP claims to represent a multi-ethnic state, it selectively invokes the traditional Hua-Yi distinction and cherry-picks political, historical, and economic advantages from it.

The CCP attempts to evade inconvenient legacies of the Qing dynasty, such as historical debts and obligations, while simultaneously claiming full territorial succession from the Qing Empire. At the same time, it continues to preserve Han identity and Han pride as the cultural core of Zhonghua. This creates several contradictions.

First, there is the sovereignty paradox regarding Taiwan. From a territory-based historical perspective, Taiwan and the PRC are separate political entities with distinct jurisdictions. The PRC has never exercised effective sovereignty over Taiwan. Therefore, invoking an abstract historical “China” does not automatically justify forced unification, and such an attempt may be viewed as aggression.

Second, there is the risk of fragmentation. If PRC is truly a multi-ethnic state, then Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongols, and other groups should at least be entitled to meaningful autonomy and political negotiation. If all autonomy exists only under the absolute control of the CCP, then the claim of ethnic equality becomes questionable.

Third, there is a crisis of legitimacy. In practice, the system still appears rooted in the Hua-Yi distinction. While the CCP publicly promotes harmony, there are ongoing reports of systemic oppression against Uyghurs and other minorities. This leads many people to question the legitimacy of the CCP’s rule.

Fourth, the CCP’s selective succession—claiming assets, territory, and imperial prestige while rejecting liabilities and inconvenient obligations—could lead to disputes with neighboring countries and global powers such as the United States and Japan.

Finally, the CCP’s current historical narrative, especially when it places the histories of neighboring peoples such as Korea and Vietnam under a Chinese civilizational framework, can be perceived as a serious provocation. It risks denying the distinct identities, historical sovereignty, and independent civilizational development of those nations.

So this is not a bizarre theory. It is a criticism of the CCP’s selective and contradictory use of history, ethnicity, and territorial succession.

What is this thread even about at this point?

It’s a welcome surprise that this forum does not prohibit political discussions, something often done to the point of absurd on other gaming forums, but discussing PRC ethnic policies in a thread simply asking for Jurchen voicelines to be Jurchen won’t lead to anything productive. It’ll just devolve into arguments between supporters and opponents of CCP.

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The post says China is “Han-centered.” But the opposite is true. China officially recognizes 56 ethnic groups precisely to give minorities real benefits — not to draw lines. Examples: extra points on college entrance exams, tax breaks, and guaranteed seats in government. In China’s national congress, minority representatives make up over 14% — higher than their share of the population. How is that “Han-centered”?

About territory and the Qing Empire: this isn’t China making things up. It’s international law. The Qing Emperor’s abdication decree in 1912 clearly stated: “the full territory of Manchu, Han, Mongol, Hui, and Tibetan peoples shall form one great Republic of China.” That territory passed to the Republic of China, then to the People’s Republic. If you call this “selective inheritance,” what about the US? When the US broke from Britain, it kept all the land but refused to pay British debts. Hypocritical, isn’t it?

Now about Xinjiang and Tibet “oppression” — let’s check real data. Life expectancy in Xinjiang: 30 years in the 1950s → 77 years now. GDP doubled in the last 10 years. Every prefecture in Tibet has highways and internet. If that’s “systematic oppression,” most countries would beg for that kind of oppression.

What about “meaningful autonomy”? China uses regional ethnic autonomy — not a US-style federation. Autonomous regions have their own laws and budgets, but foreign affairs and defense belong to the central government — just like Bavaria in Germany or any state in a non-federal system. Saying “no autonomy under absolute control” is like saying no country except federations has real autonomy. That’s absurd.

Taiwan is simple. The 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki gave Taiwan to Japan. The 1943 Cairo Declaration and 1945 Potsdam Proclamation explicitly said Japan must return Taiwan to China. In 1971, UN Resolution 2758 recognized the People’s Republic as the sole legal representative of China. China never accepted Taiwan’s claim to sovereignty. Reunification is a leftover civil war issue — not “invasion.”

Finally, those who keep pointing fingers at China have dirty hands themselves. The US committed genocide against Native Americans — their population dropped from ~10 million to less than 300,000. Rape rates on reservations are double the national average, and 80% of perpetrators are non-Native. Australia and Canada’s indigenous boarding schools — thousands of unidentified children’s remains have been dug up. Who are they to lecture anyone about “legitimacy”?

China has 1.4 billion people — fed, housed, and living longer (78 years now, up from under 35 in 1949). A government that lifted that many people out of poverty doesn’t need outsiders to judge its “legitimacy.” The “contradictions” in the original post come from double standards and not knowing the facts.

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If they can’t speak it well, it’s unlikely to be preserved.

In that respect, the fate of Manchu in 100 years may be the same as Latin as a dead language:
Useful for studying ancient texts, but nobody really uses it for all aspects of daily life.

At least, Latin can be pronounced, and people know how to pronounce it, it’s still used for Catholic Church liturgies, hymns and songs, or the famous “Latin Mass.”

Here in Peru, the translation of the Quipus was also lost during the Viceroyalty due to practicality:

  • They rotted very easily.
  • They were difficult to learn and took up a lot of space for short instructions.
  • It was easier to learn Spanish and write it.
  • Most of their texts were transcribed into Spanish, which weren’t many.
  • No organization was created to at least preserve the record of the quipu-Spanish transcription, because tablets existed but they were not preserved in good condition (the wool rots).

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Units with Manchu or Jurchen Pronunciation in Video Games:


The missing Manchu pronunciation is concerning:

If this were a game with more text than dialogue, writing certain Manchu phrases wouldn’t be much of a problem. But if what’s needed is “pronunciation” for the voice lines, well, it will be a challenge.

That’s why I asked ChatGPT to look for games where some units or characters use untranslated Jurchen or Manchu.

Interestingly, he only gave me 1 entry:


Age of Empires 3 (VANILLA)

In the original AoE3, the MANCHU unit, a Qing mercenary, curiously has lines in MANCHU. LOL

So they tried it before. Well, at least there’s a precedent.

https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Manchu


Let’s see if there’s a Manchu or Jurchen for the Jin Dynasty, or a Chinese one.

Because there hasn’t been any more info about the DLC for weeks, there’s really not much to say.