Removed? No. Reworked? Yes. Civ is fine, but some of it feels like it was rushed together in the last 2 weeks before deadline.
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He means the ToTD beta, not the original AoM Beta. Youāre probably thinking of the Regent.
If you check the data files for ToTD you can see the General is called a hero unit, even though it lacks the tag.
Keep the Chinese mythologies in. However, break it down and start over. Adequately brainstorm what mythical units should be in the game. Iām sure the Chinese pantheon has all sorts of dangerous and mythical creatures. Maybe also change the gods line up. The Jade Emperor should be one of the primary gods, imo.
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Not just the mythical units. China has 2 Infantry units, but 2 Hero units (Monks and Immortals, which both counetr Myth unist and carry Relics) and 4 Melee Cavalry units.
How about a more balanced approach of 3 Infantry, 3 Melee Cavalry, and only 1 Hero unit types?
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The chinese need a serious rework. The 3 tutelary gods and god powers are boring. Give them a new concept, new roles and more interesting powers. something fun like heroes become cultivators (represented as gaining a small random buff for some seconds after killing a myth unit) or something unique idk.
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such a simple answer:
NO chinese should not go IF it would have way better models and way less reused assets/animations and also cooler/ a bit stronger myth units (beside the obvious ones)
This all will be obviously changed in an Age of Mythology 2 or a reboot but if it will be just a smaller update with just tweaks/patches it should def go cause the (2016?) released chinese dlc sucks and is a joke at every AOM lover who wants that this series gets treated with as much love and attention as possible
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instead the problems with China should be fixed
1- In lore sense, Chinese campaign lore is not connected to original lore at all. Devs connected Greek, Norse and Egyptian with an Atlantean lore. But in Chinese campaign devs decided to add nothing to campaign and adapt directly from Chinese mythology with no contribution. Original lore is not the exact mythology but mythologies mixed with artistic creativity of developers. Like, they made Arkantos and a fictional Atlantean history.
I am just going to get influenced by early campaign and write a new campaign just now:
"Fallen Empire to Eastern Empire: After The End of Atlantis
One party of surviving Atlanteans set off to south. Arkantos (who became a god) descend down and guide the winds to save the boat. They pass Pillars of Hercules and Atlas Mountains (West Africa) and to generation to generation they fare sea. They became seafaring people that temporarily settle on a coast and continue their journey. Arkantos becomes busy with fighting Poseidon and seafaring people of Atlanteans are on their own now. First they settle near Goa but driven out by wildlife and they now crashed their bosts around China.
Episode 1: Arrival
Buntus (character i just created): Where are we
Chinese villagers: ??
Buntus: Strange, this does not looks like Mauretania at all. We lost the track. Sister, help the other survivors!
One Chinese: Are you people Hellenes?
Buntus: Sort of, looks like you know our language. Where are we?
Chinese: You are too far away from Hellenes, that I can say. Let me teach the crucials.
Scenario plays as tutorial for China.
Episode 2: Migration
Cutscene shows court of Qin Shi Huang and a messenger comes
Messenger: Mighty emperor! There are bad news!
Qin: There was not a single bad news for years, bring it.
Messenger: Barbarians! All over the place. Eastern barbarians united under Touman and a pack of barbarians settled in south!
Qin: I already got news about the southern sails barbarians, they are peaceful people. But the news about Touman is concerning.
Cutscene cuts to Atlanteans
A villager: Bad news!
Buntus: What?
Villager: The governor is angry about you people! Go, go!
Buntus: You want us to leave? Why?
Nandi (Buntusā sister): I have talked to locals, the governors hate foreigners for some reason.
Buntus: But our boats are totally wrecked!
Nandi: Then we will migrate by foot and horses!
(The scenario plays as combat tutorial. You fight against āforces of natureā in wilderness)
Episode 3: The Xiongnu
Cutscene shows a horseman hero in middle of the steppes. a Cyclops comes near to him.
Touman (horseman): Gonout- Gonour- What was your name!
Gonoutartarou: Gonoutartarou sirā¦ You can call me the cyclops.
Touman: With the power of your spawns, i have conquered all tribes around. How am I thankful to you.
Gonoutartarou: Perhapsā¦ I just want to eradicate all Atlanteans. Including those who arrived in China. They killed my brother Gargarensis and now they act like they have no guilt at all.
Touman: And the Chinese killed my brothers. Now, they will know that I am the son of sky! Scythians and Cimmerians are now my subjects! I will burn all of Qin!
Cutscene skips to a battle field. Cavalry charges to spear infsntry and second line is cavalry archers.
From high place Buntus and Nandi watches
Buntus: And even in this corner of the world, evil and war still exists.
Nandi: The horseman are Xiongnu, they are enemy of Qin. They are known for their slaughters.
Buntus: Wait those horsemen wear Greek armors? Just looks like mine armor.
Nandi: Nevertheless we must help them.
(scenario plays as conflict and protecting allies map)
Episode 4: Reveal
Buntus is in middle of fight and Nandi scouts area
Nandi: A cyclops?
Chinese soldier: And bunch of iron people!
Nandi: They are Greek armors, still weird.
Gonoutartarou (notices them and he and his army are down the mountain and in woods): Chinese and Atlanteans figgting side by side! Interesting!
Nandi: And you are?
Gonoutartarou: Son of Poseidon and brother of Gargarensis! And commander of Xiongnu!
Nandi: And you tracked us without any hesitation?
Gonoutartarou: While your people wandering in the sea generation by generation, the great Alexander conquered all his way to Bactria. And Seleucid empire is my great ally! I have a large supply of Greek weapons there. And also they have Greek gods! They are stronger than your titans, false god Arkantos and false gods of China!
Nandi: What are you even planning?
Gonoutartarou: We will burn you all!
Episode 12: Fall of Vizier
Gonoutartarou and his cavalry are running away from Chinese cavalry
Gonoutartarou: To hell with this forsaken land! I am going back to Alexandria Ariana! Maybe i-
Buntus jumps from bushes and kills Gonoutartarou. Thwn proceeds to killing the cavalry with javelins.
Chinese soldier: You are a master warrior!
Buntus: Not so, without gods I am nothing.
Qin Shi Huang: Well you must be Buntus, I have heard of you before.
Soldier: This is emperor Qin! Bow down now!
Buntus: But you are not my emperor?
Qin: Perhaps, I am granting you and your people the surname of Yang. Now I am your emperor, are not I?
(Buntus) Yang Bun Tou (Kowtow two times): Thanks for this gift, but what is the price?
Qin: The Xianyang is under attack. You and all of your kinsmen can help me perhaps?
Nandi: Not quite, I am a captain of Atlanteans too. You need my permission.
Qin: What do you want?
Nandi: My people strive for a new land. Can you provide us?
Qin: We shall see.
Yang Nan Di: I accept my surname until we find a new land!
Episode 24: Palace in Wilderness
Yang Bun Tou: So this is the place Qin granted us?
Nandi: Yes, brother. These steppes are new Atlantis. You should command the villagers to build a wonder here. That will solidify our presence here. And I shall fight against Xiongnu raiders.
End cutscene:
Touman (looking at the Atlantean/Chinese town and wonder): Nooo! This cant be happening! These people killed my ally and now built this monstrosity in my property! I will burn them!
Mao-Tun: No.
Touman: My son? What are you doing here?
Mao-Tun: You let Scythians kidnap me, killed my mother, married with a traitor and lead all tribes of steppes to death!
Touman: I am the son of sky and I am the king! You are nothing if you were not my son!
Mao-Tun: That makes me son of sky too. Archers!
Touman gets killed by his own soldiers
Horse archer and Mao-Tun looks at Atlanteans.
Horse Archer: What shall we do?!
Mao-Tun: Bury him like how you would bury a father of emperor.
Horse archer: Not that, the Atlanteans.
Mao-Tun: Let them live. They are not of my concern. Soon we will take revenge from Greeks and the Chinese.
Scene shows the Atlantean town and people living their daily life.
Narrator: There are written records of Chinese talking about Greeks. And what happened in records that were not written at all? There are also records of the Chinese defecting to Xiongnu. Xiongnu were recorded as having cities and walls, obscure for nomadic people.
Cutscene shows that all of the town except the wonder is vanished away and all are replaced with wildlife.
Narrator: Ages later remains of a Chinese palace found in Abakan province in Siberia. It is left from Xiongnu era. Nobody knows who built this palace or why this palace has been built. This palace that Atlanteans built is not this palace. But existence of this palace implies there are mythic occurances in archaeology. And this is one of the mythic occurances. Now this party of Atlanteans are long gone, joined local peoples and left their town.
camera zooms to ruined castle
Narrators: Perhaps there were unsung foreigners in far lands. And perhaps the lands visited by explorers of early modern era were already known to some people. We will not know."
2- Chinese gods are not major gods in Chinese myth at all. For example in Greek civ, Zeus is a major God and he was actually a major god in real life too since he was king of gods. Nords and Egyptians are parallel too but Chinese gods areā¦
Fu Xi: Creator God. Parallel to Greek Prometheus.
Nu Wa: Sister of creator god. Also creator i guess.
Shennong: Farming god.
Fu Xi is kinda reasonable but others? It is like adding Hera and Demeter as major gods to Greece. And there is sense of major God similar to Greeks in Chinese mythology. Tian is equalivant of Cronus, Shangdi is equalivant of Aether and Yudi (Jade Emperor) is equalivant of Zeus.
And, there is not an evil god apparently. There is no clash of gods and divinities like in original but the clash in campaign is all gods versus a dragon and traitor prince or something?
3- No originality.
Chinese civ is mix of Chinese civs in AOE III and II. Early devs were creative with mythologies and added units and myths even though they were anacronistic. But this was creative and worked. That is why AOM is still fun.
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I think that devs are disagree by an aesthetocally point of view. Chinese buildings and units look awful.
Their wonders are litteraly the same as AoE3
The Chinese are fun to play and offer a worthy pantheon of gods to warrant their inclusion. With some polish here and there and some updated visuals, they could be as great as the originals!
And to those saying Age of Mythology should keep to the classical era, China as a civilisation has existed since even before then! As one of the cradles of civilisation, it deserves a spot alongside the Egyptians and the Greeks, and Iād love to see some Mesopotamian, Mesoamerican, and Indian representation as well, to flesh out this era.
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Chinese civilization going beyond the classical era does not mean you should include medieval Chinese units in a game about the classical eraā¦
There is enough content from classical China alone for a playable faction in the game, why do we have to include medieval units?
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The civ just needs a major rework in terms of gods and units.
TBH, I like the Chinese more than the Atlanteans in AOM. At least the Chinese are actually a real culture with their own distinctive mythology, rather than a fictional one whose mythology is basically an extension of the Greeksā. If any civ has to go in an AOM:DE, I would pick the Atlanteans over any of the rest any day.
And I donāt really care about the anachronisms some people mentioned. You already have Bronze Age Egyptians coexisting with Classical Greeks, early medieval Norse, and a whole ton of fantasy elements (including the aforementioned Atlanteans). Historical accuracy shouldnāt be that big a deal here.
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I would like more diversity included in AOM:DE or AOM2 whichever is coming.
There are so many cool mythologies around the world that can be added and be fun to play
Mesoamerican, Native American (Amerindians), Micronesian, Japanese, Hindu, Turkic, Arabic, Persian, Mesopotamian, Nubian, Slavic, Celtic,ā¦ apologize if i forgotten some, but the point is that so many can be added with the current ones.
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The garden system is awful
You should have at maximum 5 gardens and double the trickle of any resource by now
They work more like a āāwallāā in early game than something organic like egyptian monuments
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High level players used to build about 1 Gardens in the first 10 minutes, I am just saying. Watch Boit videos: 1v1 Midgard | Nu Wa vs Thor | vs Biker Boy - YouTube
Agreed! Chinese are fun to play with, just need some rework on visuals and small gameplay details to be as great as original civs. I like them much more than attyā¦ Immortals, Monks, cheap / weak units with generals and war chariots are great concepts!
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Yes, and the Aztec mod couldnāt work without your triggers.
Hope to see the overhaul for sure. Itās not fair to just delete a civ because of the way it was designed. Tha havoc was already done but not mean that canāt be fixed.
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