Sorry.
I meant, in English and Spanish, Teuton is another word for Germans.
In Spanish we call Germans Germanos, Teutones and Alemanes. Three words for the same people!
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Yeah there is a lot of âconfusionâ in the world, also because many germans themselves actually donât know much of the origins of these names/words.
Also because of that well-known period in our history where the national identity became convoluted with political interestsâŠ
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Well from my region we know very well if there is political agenda involved in identical processes it usually doesnât end goodâŠ
Maybe the question you should ask you is what is more important for you:
Just having a serbian civ in the game. And ofc some other balkan civs aswell.
Or trying to get a serbian civ into the game that is all about to cover the majority of the balkan. But never succeed with that because of the political issues associated with that.
You have to ask youreelf what is more important to you. For me itâs the last time I am trying to tell you that the way you currentl approach is actually actively standing in the way of a balkan expansion. And therefore also in the way of a Serbian civ.
And yes you are right, I canât make the civ designs for you. Or help in your discussion with the other balkan people. I just can try to tell you, that your current approach is decremental to that expansion.
And maybe I canât get to you here. But I hope that with this I reach other people from that region and make them aware that because of the current company strategies to avoid ANY political controversy, they need to sit together and think about a solution they can present to the devs. I see no other way for a balkan expansion to ever take part.
Everyone gets so defensive about a peoples and events from hundreds of years ago. I donât get it.
Guys itâs the current year! Medieval needing to be proud of stuff you yourself didnât take part in isnât important and this is just a game. Youâre all centuries too late!
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I find this interesting, because I thought the words 'Deutsch" and âTeutonâ were derived from the same root. But having looked it up, Iâve found conflicting information about it, so now I donât know. Do you have a reliable source? I usually use the OED for etymology, but it doesnât help here since âDeutschâ isnât an English word.
Itâs conflicting information because it has the 2 meanings.
But itâs kind of clear that the origins of our current language and state name come from the meaning of âfolkâ:
âWhile morphologically similar, the Latin root Teutonic for âGermanicâ is more distantly related, and originally a name of a Celtic or Germanic tribe that inhabited coastal Germanyâ
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Pretty interesting especially if you look at the sections of semantic development of english and german i mean as a german i would assumr pommeranians/Poles and danes would call us germans or germanic people throught collective calling of this tribe
This is what ânationalismâ brings. Wouldnât be the first time a contemporary society used past cultures whoâs only similarity was that they lived in the same area was accommodated by said current culture for ânationalisticâ reasons. If Joan of Arc found herself in modern day France she wouldnât even know what she was looking at. The culture, the temperment, the language would be completely alien to her.
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Now that I think about it. Time Travel as a horror element has rarely been made.
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Yeah, every state or nation is basically a ship of Theseus.
@DynasticPlanet5 here is another one, I hope you enjoy the Germanic culture.
Fairing from the city of the Teutonic Order i think the Teutons are a great generic civ for all the germanic factions during Medieval times.
You will have to make several general ones per region instead, and you will always miss out others.
Sadly iâm not too knowledgeable about the Germania Mayor factions and their differences. I can only tell you about Germania Inferior.
It is obvious that Teutons civ without any changes would represent the Teutonic Order and the Livonian Order.
The bare minimum for splitting the German Umbrella are two civs:
- Bavarians
- Saxons
The most complex option would be:
- Bavarians (Southern Germans)
- Hansa (Northern Germans)
- Saxons (Central Germans)
- Westphalians (Western Germans)
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Sorry, I canât resist the pedantry.
The bare minimum is zero civs.
There are far more complex options than that, e.g. a separate civ for every German duchy.
Again, apologies for the pedantry. I have a compulsion for it that sometimes gets the better of me.
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Perfection. As far as Iâm concerned, this is also the absolute maximum.
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There are two German Civs in the game already.
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We kinda have all the major HRE areas atm.swiss and maybe austria missing from HRE.and no teutons are not teutonic order.
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Yes, zero is also my preference. I like Teutons, but I donât need more Teutons.
Two and a half if you half include Franks as representing East Francia.
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Another half if you include Bohemians as representing Sudetenland.
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Honestly I get that it feels necessary to say it but at the same time I wish we would just have ignored this because discussion just wont go anywhere
Either way in relation to the topic I have to say that I disagree with the premise of Teutons being only accurate for the Teutonic order, and in general I havent been convinced yet of why we need to represent substates of the HRE that shared a cultural identity
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