Do you guys think developers is giving their best?

Age of Empires IV IV - Discussion
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The problem isn’t the vocal minority that claim they will not play the game because of the poor visuals, the problem is with the majority who don’t like the visuals, and the minority of people who oppose them with “it’s not that bad” and “it can be fixed”.

If the best thing the community can say is that it can be fixed then you have a problem.

I am also not sure why you claim the number of unique comments on Youtube claim the graphics are fine (not that “fine” is a compliment), if I look at the recent videos and sort the comments by “Top”, people really don’t think the game looks fine. Especially on the naval warfare one.

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There are a lot of us who actually think that the game looks great.

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Except there is no proof that the majority doesn’t like the graphics. And even then, people who say that the graphics can be fixed also say that that won’t deter them from playing the game

There are more people who like the graphics than the people who won’t play the “ugly” game

Except it isn’t the best thing they can say and they have said more than that.

Um…maybe because most of the youtube comments say that the graphics are fine.

Fine as in good or I don’t care if they change them or not, I just want to know if the gameplay is good. Imo, people who care more about graphics than gameplay should just go watch CGI movies

Don’t know what videos you are watching but it is the opposite for me

This I can understand, water looked like crap. But the new water looks pretty sweet

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While there are dozens of you that think the game looks great (and I fully respect that point of view) there’s a reason that even GusTank and BossPaprika wouldn’t dare to try and pass that as a majority view. The common rebuttal whenever someone criticizes the visuals is either that “it’s fine” or that “it can be fixed”. The majority of the community simply does not appear to have a positive view on it.

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Maybe because they care more about whether the game is fun to play and not pretty.

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here’s a random poll on reddit that asked whether people like the visuals and if that would influence them getting the game.

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Would you like to say that isn’t a minority?
The game will probably do fine regardless of the visuals. People doom posting and saying they won’t get the game because of the visuals are a minority.

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Again, you are pointing to the irrelevant vocal minority of people who claim they find the visuals so horrendous that they will not play the game simply for that reason. Those people are irrelevant, just like the 2-3 people you can find who think the game look so great that it changed their mind and they now preordered 3 copies of the game are irrelevant. The majority of the community are somewhere between disliking it and thinking its “fine”. All we are saying is that this is not a good place to be in.

So what videos are you looking at? We can put aside the naval one since you already agree that most people hate it, let’s look at Xbox Games Extended: Age of Empires IV since it’s recent and fairly long, you have one comment that says it looks “OK” with 5 upvotes and one that calims to get “weird vibes from cartoony graphics” with 30 upvotes, another comment that says the buildings look too small with 18 upvotes. Where exactly are the majority of comments who say the game looks fine?

That’s not a proper rebuttal and I am so tiered of people using that cop out. When people are saying they think the game looks horrible they are not saying the game isn’t fun, they are not saying they care more about graphics than gameplay. That’s just you trying to trivialize their opinions.

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Views are also an indicator how many like or not like the game.
People who lost the interest in the game don’t write negative comments anymore. Atm it doesn’t really look like Aoe4 could be more succesful than Aoe2 Definitive Edition.

The main reason why people could buy Aoe4 is because of nostalgia and because they really like Age of Empires. They are waiting for another big medieval RTS game like this.
And there aren’t only complaints about graphics, some people don’t like tutorial voice too or said music is just okay. The typical Aoe atmosphere is missing somewhere.

It’ll definitely get their fans, but with this style it lost a lot of potential.

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I’m not referring to people Who are not going to buy this game due the graphic: those absolutely are a vocal minority and i agree with you.
I’m speaking about the most of people, like me, Who love the gameplay and are fine with the Artstyle but they Think that models, units, water and Gaia should have more details and textures: and there were a lot of post and threads on beta forum, a lot of feedbacks and many comments on YouTube, reddit and more. And those all feedback came from different people.

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Would you like to say that isn’t a minority?
The game will probably do fine regardless of the visuals. People doom posting and saying they won’t get the game because of the visuals are a minority.

Who isn’t the minority? You people are fighting a straw man. Nobody claimed that the people who dislike the visuals so much that they wont buy the game are the majority.

We are claiming that the people who dislike it are the majority, and even that poll demonstrates that.

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yeah thats fair criticism imo.
we will have to see what the devs come up with.
they had a poll and a whole feedback section for the beta testers so they’ve heard our concerns.

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you’re still wrong under that metric, at best they would be slightly lower on this poll than people that like it.
It would be incorrect to lump the category “i don’t care about visuals” to either side.

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I’m not?

324 like it (options 1 and 2)
380 don’t like it (options 4 and 5).

More people don’t like it.

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We can’t reasonably expect the devs to worry about 95 people that won’t even be buying the game.
Of the 285 people I guarantee you a lot of them are only concerned about the graphical glitches and low res textures that appeared in some of the trailers. That will be an aspect devs will probably address. (if they aren’t already)

Though if you are arguing purely on the line “i don’t like the visuals” fine I will concede to that.

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Not even just that, add the 119 "I don’t care about the art style at all, plus the 285 “i don’t like it but i will play anyways”, makes it 716 in a 823 votes poll. We convert to ratios (hopefully I did the math right) that is 87% of the community who will play the game. How the frick is that a minority?

I am pointing to the people who aren’t going to play the game, the majority of players are going to play the game

Did I say otherwise? Also, it is more than 2-3 people

The majority of the community, as I have said before on this thread and others, don’t care about pretty graphics, they care about gameplay. Graphics of course are necessary to keep the game alive, AoE2 graphics still look nice after all these years. That being said you can see that they are outdated. But in the end, what keeps you playing a game is gameplay, this is the whole point of games, not just videos games, but all games, to bring you joy and to have fun. Good gameplay brings fun

That may be what you are saying but it is not what Jimmy is saying. And I totally respect Jimmy but this is a subject that we disagree on.

The videos posted by the Xbox channel, most of the comments I see aren’t saying they dislike graphics.

Point out where I said people were saying the game wasn’t going to be fun. I am simply saying that most of the people on THIS forum (don’t know about others as well) say they aren’t playing the game because it isn’t pretty enough for them.

It is not, actually

I think that you and Jehovah are right that most people think the graphics could be better but I think that a simple solution is to make an ultra graphics DLC

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Yes, and there were a lot (hundreads people) Who expressed very positive feedbacks about that.

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I think they’re doing their best and I appreciate their effort. It doesn’t seem that the scale and budget of the project would have allowed for more/different staff, or the ability to refine their existing engine more or build an entirely new one. I honestly think they’re doing their best within certain unavoidable constraints.

My hope is that they stick with it for a long time after launch, like the DE devs did. DE had a rough start, but was consistently improved upon with each patch and now it’s amazing. In some ways I think AoE4 in beta is already more refined than DE was at launch – in regards to matchmaking and stability at least. In other ways, I think it needs a lot of refinement. But I found the core gameplay fun and refreshing anyway, and I think the devs can figure the details out if they stick with it, are honest with themselves, and listen to the community. And they seem pretty dedicated to doing so thus far.

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I feel like you 2 are intentionally trying to drive us nuts. For the 5th time - we are not talking about the people who will not play the game because of visuals. Nobody ever argued those people are the majority.

The majority don’t like the visuals. The devs should certainly take that into consideration. Whatever brought them to where we are now - the majority of the target audience does not like how the game looks. (from the data available to us)

You are refusing to understand what we are saying. Disliking the graphics and caring about gameplay are not mutually exclusive. We are saying we don’t like the visuals and your response is “but gameplay is more important”. I am telling you that I don’t like Pizza and your response is “but It’s raining”, it has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

Huh? I didn’t say you said people are saying the game won’t be fun. I am saying that when people say that they dislike the visuals your response is “the gameplay is more important” as if anyone said otherwise. I don’t have to point that out very far, just look at your responses to me in this thread, I didn’t mention “gameplay” at all and you responded to me with “gameplay” multiple times.

You need to look past thinking I am attacking something you need to defend (the game) by bringing up something that is irrelevant and that we both agree on (the gameplay) while all I am doing is criticizing one element of it (the visuals) because I want to see it improved.

I’ll remind you that your original statement was that most of the comments are that the visuals are fine, now you change it to “most comments aren’t saying they dislike it”. I’ll take that as you admitting your original statement was incorrect.

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I’ve been driven nuts by plenty of people, deal with it.

I love how you say “we” when I have been arguing the same topic with Jimmy for months now and he hasn’t said anything like the above quoted post.

Why? They aren’t going to delay the game so there is no point to change the graphics, unless we are discussing a graphics DLC

Point out where I said so

No I am not and please stop saying we, as nothing you say is related to what Jimmy has said in the past.

It is. Answer this, what keeps you playing a game? Because it is fun or because it looks pretty.

Bad analogy, Gameplay and graphics are tied together in a game, with gameplay being more important

Gameplay has everything to do with what we were talking about before you decided to give your 2-cents

Sure sounds like that is pointed at me

Um, that isn’t always my response, you would know this if you had bothered to read threads dedicated to graphics, instead of just this one.

I don’t just say “gameplay is more important” I counter your argument that “most people don’t like graphics” by saying “gameplay is more important than graphics, so gameplay should be first priority”. This is why I have suggested (on this thread and multiple others, I even made a poll about it in a unique thread) an Ultra graphics DLC for those who want it.

You need to not assume you can read my mind

It is entirely relevant

It appears to me you are arguing just for the sake of it

According to your logic, no. “Fine” is not a compliment to you, so saying most comments don’t say they dislike it is the same thing as saying most comments say it is fine. Actually, even without your logic, it is the same thing. That’s basically the definition of fine anyway

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Well I hope you bothered reading what he wrote in previous months because you didn’t seem to bother reading what he wrote today…

This is the “Above quoted post” -

And this is what Jimmy wrote -

You are right, that’s not “anything” like I said because that’s identical to what I said.

What do you mean “why”? They need to know what people think about their product. It doesn’t matter if there is enough time to change it or if it will cause a delay or not. They created something, they need to get people’s honest opinion about it. for a DLC, for a sequel, for a delay, or just to know. Such a weird question… If you created something for other people to use and enjoy and asked them to pay for it, wouldn’t you want to know what they think about it? What they like and what they don’t like?

“It is” (more important) is only a rebuttal to “It isn’t” (more important). Where did I say it isn’t? Where did Jimmy? Where did anyone you responded to with “but gameplay is more important”?

How does it counter my argument when it’s not my argument?! Can you point to where I said gameplay shouldn’t be first priority? Can you point to where I said gameplay isn’t more important? If you want to counter my actual argument, which you bothered to quote so you know what it is - that most people don’t like the graphics, the only way to do that is to show that most people do like them, which you can’t. All you can do is tell me to go look at Youtube comments and places like Reddit. Well, we did, and you were wrong.

Fine, so here is a better one - you frequent the same restaurant as one of your friends, your friend tells you that he thinks the décor at the restaurant is trash, your response is that -

  1. He shouldn’t talk about the décor because it’s too late to change it.
  2. The food is more important than the décor.
  3. Your friend will still eat there even though the décor is trash.

OK, those are all true points, but you’ve done nothing to counter your friend’s argument that the décor is trash.

When you said “most comments aren’t saying they dislike it” I took you to comparing the amount of “I dislike the visuals” to all the comments. But if you are comparing them just to the “it’s fine” comments then yeah, it’s the same. In which case I already showed 2 videos where you are clearly wrong and more people dislike it than think it’s fine. Can you show me a single one that has more people saying it’s fine than “I dislike it”?