English are too strong right now, change my mind
Really, the king’s last change is op, he puts so much pressure, he heals himself, it’s like a free knights with chivalry upgrade
1/2 of my game are against the English… bc it’s op everyone plays them
In fact the change to free king is so good.
Against boom civs like abbasid or chinese, a good strat is go with king and harass whereas he puts a second TC. As Abba you are forced to go with military wing to get the spears or if you eco wing you have to spend minimum 150w+(60f and 20w)x2.
Whereas you have to spend 310 resources to defend from the free king he’s already putting the second TC.
Idk if they need to raise the free training time. The problem is if you raise too much it, it would make him useless.
just nerf him like nerfing JD.
English is fine, the king is all they really get from the abbey. It is like french ageing up and sending 1 knight would that be particularly hard to deal with? Sure french have to pay for the 1 knight but they get a free stable and +20% faster cav train time. With english it is just 1 king which also loses to a knight and you cannot train any other cav from the abbey.
Abbey has also been useless for so long it is nice they have another option than just council hall longbow spam/feudal all in.
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So English gets a free stable effectively for that 1 unit for a chivalry FREE knight which He can rush. So as long as the unit doesn’t outright die… he wins in delaying your progression for Free???
French has to spend 240 resources early for his one knight, no chivalry, nor the Hp pool of a king? French has to play the mp for resources meanwhile Eng retains all it’s defensive bonuses and superior farming???
Turtle gone wild!!!
No stable just 1 unit that can heal and it loses to a knight in a fight. Just serves to be annoying more than anything else. Not much different to the desert raider that ayubbids get for free except they continue to get them for free every 2 minutes.
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Against 3 civs they have 45.4% -4 7.4% win in conqueror 1v1.
Against all others 49.7% - 69.8%.
Against 3 of the 4 most played civs → Abba, Ayyubid and Byzantines, they have incredibly high winrates.
That fact alone is a massive call to observer them for nerfs.
It’s been long overdue after tc nerf, which was a big English buff (longbows outrange it and only 7 garrison slots now).
I hate Britain, he shouldn’t be so strong in era two,
The longbow range is too long, please modify it or the production speed.
Berkshire in the fourth era is also 14.5, which is powerful enough to change its strength in one-on-one situations.
please improve.
Please change the production speed in era two to 75%
Berkshire range changed to 13,
Thanks.
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You guys can turn king to normal and add ability to train wynguard units from abbey of kings if Wynguard Palace landmark built in age 4.
Skill issue, Civ is too strong cuz i cant adapt - op
meta before with Council Hall every game was boring as f to play against with English longbows spam
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Low elo comments…
Meanwhile the real logic behind why the current state of English Abbey of Kings is OP. You get a free knight with regen (personal regen and can go back home for faster healing) that can charge + 2 strike your villagers exposed on the woodline, gold, berries etc; can last 6 seconds under a fully garrison non Eng enemy TC. It guarantees English a safe Feudal transition into whatsoever Eng wants:
FC?
2nd TC
anything
This means the non Eng opponent needs to spend resource to defend against Eng FREE knight (unless that civ also gets free/cheap defensive units: Abbassid, Ayyubids, Ottomans).
Second, since English can get a safe 2nd TC and they have the BEST defensive base in the game, the enemy HAS to match their 2nd TC/boom equivalent or pull-off a FC into all-or-nothing. IMO, this removes normal feudal aggression off the table vs English. And a REAL FC (not semi- FC, but a real FC) is only viable with civs like HRE’s and Ayyubids; this means counterplay to English Abbey of Kings into safe 2nd TC, is you have to counter-boom…very very one dimensional counterplay .
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Alex in what ELO (1v1) do you play?
I have now read multiple of your comments of this kind, whenever people write about balance.
Are you somewhere in the upper conqueror range if I may ask?
King takes 4 hits to kill a villager, 5 if they had textiles. French can 2 hit, King cannot, with charge its 3, but u had plenty of time to react to prevent the villager being killed
Im Conq myself, this isn’t my main account.
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Theoretically with a few palisades on resources the King shouldn’t kill you a single unit.
It has improved a lot that Landmark, but I think it is being overrated to infinity.
Today is st georges day so we should see more english than ever hopefully.
If you were really… if you really knew what you were talking about then you’d know the king kills a villager without textile in 1 charge attack plus 2 standard attacks…
Also unless you have several villagers or units that can be used to bodyblock and or pull trick the villager to sprint into formation, no you’re not saving an exposed villager on gold or berries IF your reaction happens AFTER the charge dmg hits.
Next notice you didn’t address how English gets this beefier than standard early knight FOR FREE, not 240 resources gathered in transition like French has to do. This allows ALL of English Transition resources to be invested SAFELY into 2nd TC or FC; or even better, into both 2nd TC THEN FC.
Define little?? Bc to place walls on both sides of gold and wood and in some cases berries in hopes of inhibiting direct charge pathways doesnt sound like a lil too me nor CHEAP.
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I thought the English got destroyed by the French
French are the weakest civ in the game right now in 1v1…
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Yeah it is and understandably nobody plays french because JD is just french but better. France has no significant advantages over JD certainly none that compare to the hero.
I dont think anyone was saying English is beter or worse than a singular civ. We’re discussing if English in general ( most matchups) is OP or not?
What is clear, is English pick rates at the high elo levels has skyrocketed since the King update AND the win rates have improved?!
Normally win rates do NOT improve with something becoming a more popular pick bc you’ll have the higher win rates of the civ specialists get watered down by the riftraft. But when you have more ppl playing a faction of various familiarity with the civ YET the overall win rates IMPROVE??? WHAT does that mean to you?!!