None of this is true in practice . The only “micro” you need to do is manually switch them to melee mode every time a batch is trained. The only situation where their ranged attack should even be considered is kiting against heavy infantry but they have a 0.5 multiplier against them which basically cancels out any advantage in that situation. And if you’re making heavy cavalry to fight heavy infantry there’s something wrong with you.
Lol, the “all units” you refer to is just light infantry. Of course they are going to outperform Dragoons when fighting their direct counter.
Their cost and population space is comparable to 1.5 Dragoons or 3 Javelin Riders and their performance is generally worse than them. If there are always units in your roster that are cheaper and better, you’re never going to make Oromos.
The extra range from Caracole is useless with their RoF mechanic. The Arsenal techs also apply to all other units so it’s not an argument in favour of Oromos.
Have you tried using them like china cav? cause the fact that they have 2 different attack and get higher dps at closer range means that they have none of that cav pathing problem and just roll over the opposing force.
Switching them to melee just decreases the overall dps of the mass
ahem lancers, cuirs, rifle riders and i argue this unit as well.
true you got a point but there is one more you kinda missed, normal goons ironically, they do more damage to goons then goons to themselves, which has interesting implications for skirm goon wars
its not meaningless, it gives you flexiblity since you both have the ability to kite and to charge in, the longer range means you start your first volley from further away before charging in. its a similar principle why the gascenya is so disgusting,
they are cheaper per pop (both coin and food) then both the javelin rider and the shotel
They don’t work like that at all. Meteor Hammers do melee damage from range and have x2 vs artillery so they chew through artillery. Oromos ranged dps against artillery is less than 10% of their melee dps.
They only have reasonable dps in melee. You could argue that they are good damage sponges at range but they are in no way dealing significant damage.
Lancers and Rifle Riders are units outside the counter system. Cuirassiers probably wouldn’t be cost effective counters without their cost reduction card.
Equal resources of goons will easily beat Oromos in a ranged fight. And you should be making skirmishers against that.
They aren’t. Javelin Riders are 1 pop, attack more than twice as fast, and have good multipliers. They will outperform Oromos against everything other than light infantry (which Shotels and artillery can handle better than Oromos).
There is just no reason to train Oromos when there are other units that do everything better.
To be useable, their ranged damage needs to be improved to make them a decent generalist unit. Or they need to specialize to take out artillery since Ethiopia has no good counter other than Culverins that are locked behind a tech.
They are currently just a damage sponge with okay melee dps and that’s not really enough to justify their massive cost. Their weird fire rate mechanic is totally useless because there isn’t a situation where the perform cost effectively in ranged combat. Either their ranged damage should be buffed as I suggested, or they should just be melee only with a charged ranged attack.
let me explain, a reason for china cav’s effectiveness is more pathing then the melee damage since the 5 range on the meteor hammers means the iron flail stay in front and the meteor hammer in the back can target fire a unit without pathing around trying to find a target and losing valuable dps
oromo do that on steroid since you can just chagrge into the enemy line, let the first units in front go into melee while all the units in the back fire off at max range dps
Your melee dps might be good but it doesnt mean shit if you path around and die before you make contact, and with DE pathing this is a bonus in and of itself. The dps of a single unit might be higher in melee but crap as a group while a combined melee +range dps will be higher
who needs to be cost effective if you kill them faster then they can kill you and you dont die?
Javelin cost 60 food 50 for one pop
oromo cost 150 150 for 3 pop
they are tankier, have more then enough damage with micro and are also slightly more upgradeable due to the presence of the jesuit tech
yeah equal resources, so make that doesnt happen then , a soft counter is still a counter, that also means a gascenya +oromo comp is more then deadly enough to wipe out most other comps
The variable ROF is the key to having the unit perform well in both melee and range roles, if you remove it there isnt ever any point to put it into melee, especially if the thing has the same range as a goon
I’m not sure why you think Oromo is a soft counter to dragoons. For the cost you can have 3 dragoons for every 2 Oromo. In age 3 with no cards/techs, 3 dragoons have a collective 720hp and 237 ranged damage (not factoring the 20% rr they both have) to Oromo. 2 Oromo have a collective 950hp and 104 ranged damage to dragoons. Since they have 6.5 speed compared to dragoons 7.25 speed, there is no way they should have a faster rof vs goons than 4.
It makes sense though. They should be countered by goons.
I say soft counter because they kinda do more damage to dragoon compared to other range cav unit
true they are hard countered by dragoon in equal pop or equal cost situations but equal mass they can fight against goons unlike other cav
Like unironically in a goon fight situation, they do more damage to goon type units compared to other goon units since dragoons don’t counter themselves.
Its for a similar reason that if musket actually get close to skirms, they beat them handily even in range combat but loses in almost any other situation
The oromo should be thought off as a tanky cav ver of a msuket
At the end of the day, no one uses Oromos, and there is a reason for that.
Yes, they can avoid some pathing issues at range, but when their ranged damage output is at best only 1/3rd of their melee dps it’s still worth it to just put up with the pathing inefficiency. With perfect micro you probably still aren’t going to do more damage than putting them in melee and using attack move. They’re also a 3 pop unit so it’s not like you’re going to have tons of them bunching up and blocking each other.
(Age 3 no cards) It takes 6 hits for an Oromo to kill a dragoon. It takes 8 hits for a dragoon to kill an Oromo. Since the dragoon is 7.25 speed the Oromo should not be able to have a rate of fire much faster than 4.
6hits x 4rof=24 seconds for an Oromo to kill a dragoon.
8hits x 3rof=24 seconds for a Dragoon to kill an Oromo.
If your opponent does not kite then maybe they can be a soft counter but in the same way a halberdier can be a soft counter to skirmishers if they got into melee range.
I do agree that EthiOPia(haha joking, now it is EthiUPia) was overnerfed. And the problem is less to do with their early game but more on the mid and late stages of the game. In the early game they can still field some shenanigans strategies and score a quick win or do enough damage to put the opponent on the same footing.
However, their late game is very crippled now by the lack of the 3 villager shipment, abuns being 2 pop, and generally they have a harder time getting influence and therefore their good units compared too Hausa.
I want to point out that Hausa was also nerfed in a similar way (losing the 3 villager shipment which they now got back), but unlike EthiUPia, Hausa actually had more openings and was more macro oriented, so we sort of managed to work around that with some strategies. EthiUPia on the other hand is more reliant on map control (to set up their mountain monasteries and such), which with the slower start and slower mid and late, they now have a cascading problem.
My suggestion moving forward would be to make the ark of covenant tech cheaper or easier accessible (maybe make it baseline) to improve their mid and late game influence generation.