Ironically to your comment the Reichsarmee did not partake in the 30 years war.
Austrians are represented, Hungarians, Romanians, Croatians etc not. However Hungary and Romania have a revolution.
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You answered yourself that there was no point in adding a Prussian civ.
The Germans civ represents only Germans (HRE + Prussia). Civ, which I propose, represents the country that boasts the greatest ethnic wealth among all European empires (of course, on the European continent).
It is worth noting that only 4 new European civs for AoE 3 are enough - no more, no less. The Habsburg Empire was one of the greatest powers on the European continent. Its marginalization is a sign of a lack of interest in the foundations of history.
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Germans, Ottomans and Russians were also declining during the game time period.
Instead of state age mechanic I would prefer the classic European approach with politicians. It makes more sense…
Austrians are “represented” as Germans as well as Franconians, Bavarians, Czechs, Prussians, Swabs, Saxons etc… However period of Austrian state after 30 Yrs war is not represented. Therefore there should be a separate civ Austrians containing all people and events from Austrian empire.
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Why are Austrians not represented after 30 years war?
The Devs will not make 3 different german civs (HRE, Germans and Austrians), nor will they alter the playability of the current german civ.
If we are talking about a plausible new civ, then i think its more viable to alter the current HRE to match “Austria” and make a new civ called prussia with the annexing states mechanic.
Prussia, like austria dominated the HRE but for a lesser period of time, becoming much more independent from the HRE (and gobbling up parts of it) than Austria was (as proven in the 7 years war and the napoleonic wars)
The Habsburgs were the emperors of the HRE until the end of the War of the Spanish sucession and even afterwards multiple Austrian Emperors ruled the HRE (case and point of Francis the II)
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It is impossible to make civ Germans current to civ Austrians …
Home City is Berlin, Frederick the Great is the leader - it’s easier to make Prussia civ from this civ!
Understand at last that this civ represents HRE. Yes, he represents Austrians (because they are Germans), but he does not represent their empire, in which Germans constituted only 23% of the population.
The current German civ represents HRE and Prussia. Adding Austro-Hungarian civ would get an interesting civ that is not represented in this game. The Austro-Hungarian civ, along with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Italians and Danes, would eventually fill the gaps on the map of Europe in AoE 3.
You know you can just change the Home City and leader. Put another name on the HC and put another person as its leadr.
And as stated before, prussia did not use Landsknecht/doppel units, nor had the control of the Czech republic for the War wagons. Also, most cards and mechanics are related to Austria such as Spanish Riding School or Lipzzianir Cavalry, Wallenstein Tactis, or even the Polish Winged Hussars (that Austria asked for in the battle of viena).
Also Habsburg Austria employed Mercs far more than other nations (such as Prussia), and HRE lacks the more iconic Prussian unit - the Prussian Musketeer. Regarding the “the Needle Gunner”, just rename it.
Regarding control, for the 3rd time, although the elector of bradenburg controled at some point the HRE, Austria controled it for far far far longer time, and always considered HRE a part of Austria until the end of the War of the Austrian Succession (and even afterwards, the austrain emperor was the protector of the HRE).
The only conclusion is that HRE is Far more like austria than it is prussia. Also Austro-hungary only exists after 1867 hence its not in the time frame.
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You know it makes no sense? Waste of working time!
After all, I am writing that this civ represents the German nation !!!
Add Germans civ Musketeer and you will have 2in1 - Prussia and HRE.
HRE is an institution, not a civilization or a state.
Austria was part of HRE, Hungary was not. Austro-Hungarian civilization makes more sense to add than Prussian civ !!!
You keep claiming this, yet never actually propose how to do this.
DAC’s proposition changes 3 things and leaves the current German faction 100% intact gameplay wise and yet makes it more of a HRE themed faction than before. Can you do the same and yet make the faction be more Prussian? I doubt that.
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Already too many europeon civs in aoe3 with similar mechanics.
A world map can be used more efficiently.
Give them a Musketeer - voilà
Do you understand that I do not mean Austrians civ as HRE civ, but Austrians civ, which would be based on the Habsburg Empire, in which only the Austrian part belonged to HRE, no Hungarian part! The Austrian civ should be placed in more Napoleonic times (each of the civs in this game is placed in a different time e.g. Russians are 16th century, French are 18th century and Spanish are 15th century). For the Austrians, the civ could be an 18th-19th century civ.
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i dont particularly see why Austria should be that late of a civ. like the thing is when i think Austria in the periode i kind of think of “outdated”, esp. with regards to performances like the Napoleonic wars.
i am obviously in the camp that would rather redesign the German civ than splitting it in 2 but still.
you can come up with faction you think would be interesting.
i think Commanche and Persia are the most interesting factions outside of Europe, at least once we get the Africans.
but the thing is i just think Danes, Italians and Poles are the most interesting and most important factions along side the 2 i just mentioned. and whether this is something people want to admit then this period is the period where Europe dominated the world, like what other important factions really remain after those factions?
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Morocco, Omani and Siam are also pretty big for this timeframe.
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the main issue i got with Omani and Siam is that i cant imagine that they can come up with 15 new wonders, and with that in mind id rather prefer Persia to them.
as for Morocco then i dont find it too unlikely we’ll see them in African expansion, but we’ll have to wait and see.
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That’s why I stated “leaves the current German faction 100% intact gameplay wise” if you just add what is basically the best all-round unit the European factions have to the Germans you massively change the gameplay of a faction that was balanced around not having musketeers. You can change names or flags, but adding or removing units is a no-go.
Not to mention you don’t adress the issues of the very much non-Prussian factors in the current German faction. Doppelsoldners and War Wagons for example would have no place in a Prussian faction.
Yes, but that is not what I am talking about here. We have a current German faction that is based around the HRE. Creating a new Austrian (or Prussian) faction would mean that that nation would currently be represented by 2 factions in the game. That seems like sloppy design, and removing Austrian influences from a HRE faction is something that just can’t be done as the Habsburg and the HRE are just so intertwined.
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I miss:
- Reference to centralised and catholic state
- Emphasize on catholization practices
- I would drop all kinds of mercenaries
- Instead ofit I would bet on all types of European units but with distinct names and stats, for example Hungarian Hussars, Croatian Hussars (could be lighter but with higher attack/speed), Bohemian fusiliers etc.
- Then I would like to mention reforms such as landbook, educational reforms, tolerance patent, all that could bring some upgrades through deck system
- Personally, I would also mention a “duality” in economies, like Austria and Bohemia were gradually industrialised while Hungarian kingdom served mainly as a source of food
- I miss reference to Italien and Balkan wars
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Unfortunately, Czech reference should be dropped because the war wagon is purely Czech and out of AoE3 time frame. IMO a very silly design of this unit…
Well but those two cards are very weak connections to Austria. They are more linked to Habsburgs through their Spanish ruling branc. Plus The Emperor asked for Polish help, not for Hussars. Geless, represent HRE, purely HRE, nothing more or ellless, the Prussian line is more vital than that of Austria
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Austrians civ would not represent Germany …
Civ Austrians would be represented by Hungarians, Romanians, Italians and many Slavic nations (from each of the three groups of Slavs!).
We already have a United States civ which represents what? British colonies built (+ and immigrants). If the rebellious Britons have their civ, why can’t Austro-Hungarian civ be in play? She was certainly interesting and would add a lot of new interesting things - THIS WILL NOT BE GERMANS CIV 2.0 !!!