I’ll give back the berry bonus if you lessen the castle bonus to 575 stone.
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Agree for 20 character
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Just lost again to a Franks player. NERF their civilization to oblivion. Maybe a GoFundme page???
I will never ever play that civ.
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can you show your elo first before calling for nerf ?
a lot of stuffs need to be nerfed for low elo players but they does not affect high elo games at all.
I don’t castle drop but I am quite happy with the discount for defensive castle so I can boom peacefully
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My elo is right at 1000.
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well, i think Spanish is a bigger problem around your elo, it is hard to deny Spanish castle due to the faster build speed, and their unique unit is one of the best unit in castle age.
I don’t have problem on nerfing Franks berry, but nerfing castle will ruins my booming strategy
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Honestly, castle discount is far less powerful than berry bonus and cavalry spam bonus.
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if the franks had the 640 for stone, do you think they would play the way they do? It’s easy to sell some food or wood and buy a couple hundred more stone to castle drop an opponent
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You should post that on Reddit, lmao.
Also, OP, as another eternal hater of franks, I completely agree. Nerf them to the ground, I’ll contribute to that gofundme.
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Yes, please, they don’t need the castle bonus, at least not as high
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I heavily disagree.
I did. Not sure if reddit mods approved that.
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Agree with OP. Please do something about that wretched castle bonus. Give them back the berries for all I care.
I just hate them getting out castles faster than I can blink.
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How about nerfing the thing that makes Franks too strong early (the cavalry HP bonus)??
Franks always had the 25% cheaper castles and still were terrible in AOC days.
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I don’t think AOE2 is competitive game during AoC days but it is logical that Franks were bad at that times because Franks had lacked both 20% Scouts and Berry bonus in Feudal Age. I think Berry bonus should still go (it is appropiate to give another civilzation, especially having large woodlands). Instead, 25% Cavalry hp, 20% cheaper Castles and Chivalry in Castle Age with cheaper cost is better.
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The cavalry HP bonus is their identity. The best can be limiting it to Knight only or move to Castle Age. Meanwhile the forager bonus can be removed completely and given to someone else.
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it was initially knights only actually, it became for scouts as well at some point during HD era, same as that early berry bonus
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I just checked your stats and it shows the following:
- You’ve played a total of 500 games which is not a huge sample size, but…
- You picked Japanese for 413 of those games (82.6%)
- You picked Saracens for 84 games (16.8%)
- You win vs. Franks 45% of the time
- You win vs. many other civs at a much lower ratio compared to against Franks: Spanish (37%), Cumans (24%), Ethiopians (38%), Japanese (17%)
Try and think about your win condition using your favourite two civs, since they are the only 2 civs you ever play, so it’s important to learn their strengths and weaknesses. On open maps like Arabia vs Franks I would recommend walling early, don’t go scouts in Feudal age and try to survive til the late game. With Japanese your late game composition should be Halberdiers, Arbalests and trebs. Early castle age, defend with pikemen + monks. Try to imagine if you were Franks, where would you put a forward castle? Scatter some palisades around those areas so there’s no place for him to build castles without destroying the palisades first, which buys you time to react. With Saracens you can go Camels + pikes or Camels + elite skirm in Castle age depending on whether the Frankish player has just knights or knights + a lot of pikes. Then transition into full Mamelukes with all upgrades, elite and zealotry in very late game once you have enough castles for production.
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I don’t know if Franks is the problem here…
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Agreed with both of these. Considering that the HP bonus is the Franks’ main bonus, it was originally for Knights only and making it Knights only again should be a completely reasonable nerf, even if the HP% is buffed to like 25%. That way their Feudal Age won’t be as oppressive to deal with combined with the Berry bonus and Farm upgrade bonus.
Speaking of Berry bonus, I also think this should go. This combined with the farm upgrade and cheaper Castle bonuses makes their mid game a lot stronger than it should be. These bonuses all together make Franks very strong during all phases of the game.
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