French balancing - Trading - New units

It doesnt stand out to you that you just compared one civ to 5 just now in that comparison? Ok:

Rus cant scale thier eco as fast as french after the golden gate and hunting cabin nerfs. Both civs can pressure with knights but french can scale behind it and wins in knight fights.

Chinese have song dynasty…witch they pay for with 2 landmarks where french have a smaller but free bonus right out the gate. Then there the fact that chi cant leave their base till age 3 cuz the civ is weak to early heavy units as a whole.

Abbasid can survive knight attacks well, but folds to a strong enough archer or maa push. Match and exceed the early eco of french, but it needs its wings AND golden age to do that where french have thier bonuses for free. And any civ, including french, can push enough archers to break abbasid.

Ottomans cannot out aggro the french with military schools. The best early agression they have is the the archer/mehter push and more recently the upgraded sipahi, but thats not a threat to early knight civs in any way. Not like they can keep up in vil coint either. So no, ottos do not have better map control.

Delhi has 2 options - ss or ToV archer push. Ss means that cant stop multi tc or trade play which they dont have any way to keep up with. ToV archer push flops againt early armor or strong cav. I never seen french lose to any age 2 archer pushes. Or any age 2 pressure at all really.

Look, I’ll say that french isnt as scary as the olden days, but thats doesnt mean its weak either. All that changed it that civs got strong enough to actually punish inflexible strats and poor execution.

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thanks for your detailed comment, need try this out

I’d like to see these units maybe you could make a little nerf to the current units by introducing these new ones, so as to make the French a civilization with more strategies.

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all i want to see is a fat nerf on the french. easiest playstyle playing 2 tier above every other civ together with HRE

Imo statistics from aoe4world.com both current and recent 1v1 rank data suggests a lot what french does well and does NOT do well at decent to high level play (diamond +).

Jun 15 diamond+ 1v1 french matchups. I pick this patch bc there weren’t many changes that buff nor nerfed french matchups much except the ottoman spahi change.

Here you can see french matches up well vs the civs that naturally do NOT have a strong feudal economic option but instead (like french) depends on early moderate aggression OR factions that take forever to get going/hit timings (china HRE). MEANWHILE civs that have higher levels of feudal aggression than french (ottoman mongols delhi**) more times than not cream frnech on open land maps. The rest of the factions have either strong eco feudal (rus, abbasid) or safe timings vs french (mali).

Lastlylets look at win rate over game length.


The vast majority of french games are decided between 10 and 30min (which is common for most civs) but look pattern? It trends downward the longer the game goes!!!

ABOUT THE RIBAUDEQUIN.-
As I understand from the way the cannons are designed in the game

  • If you have enough unique units or siege bonuses: Only Bombarda
  • If you don’t have enough unique units or siege bonuses: Bombarda and Culverina
  • If you are a Civ. from Europe and you do not have extra units or with area damage: Bombarda and Ribaudequin

The English and French are a special case, as they don’t have unique “Extra” units, their unique units replaces a position (Longbow Archer replaces Archer, Royal Knight replaces Knight), even with the French cannon, it replace bombard. So the Ribaudoquin suits them well as an area damage unit and Imperial siege super weapon. Also the English invented them, (thanks to Eduard III) and were the first to use them, so technically they should be a 3rd Age English Early unit (Early Ribauldequin), but if they did, they’d be broken, and they already were with their feudal rush, so its enough with only having them. Maybe the devs could give the English some bonus to Ribauldequin to make them cheaper or faster to produce? I mean, they are its inventors. Anyway, back to the topic.

I’m assuming the HRE has culverine instead because the Landsknecht already does a similar job with splash damage. Other Civs that could have it would be Italy, Hungary and Poland-Lithuania, because historically they use them.

Of course: I only ask please, DO NOT make the Portuguese civ centered in Ribaudequines. Not even the Portuguese like it. In fact, there is no outstanding historical moment in the history of Portugal that includes them, neither militarily nor anecdotally. The Portuguese preferred “Shrapnel Shot” using falconets and rifles, but they did that by spraying bullets and firing them for area damage, not using multiple cannons.

ABOUT IDEAS OF UNIQUE UNITS.-
On the other hand, the musketeer could not be a single unit, unless it is a specific body to which we refer. To be a unique unit you must have, in my opinion, 3 criteria: 1).- Have a special ability, 2).- Have some outstanding bonus or characteristic that separates it from a common unit with another civ, 3).- Have a base Historical, even if anecdotal.

It happens as much for the Warrior Monk, in memory of Pelinalt and the generals revered as saints in the Rus-Mongolian war, and for the Keshik, the elite corps of the Mongolian army and royal guard.

Arbaletrier.- is the name given to the French crossbowman, considering that the French crossbowmen of the 100 Years War, who used giant shields, are a body that is very historically remembered. Although Genoese crossbowmen were initially used, after the destruction of an entire battalion at the Battle of Crecy (1346), there are no records of these mercenaries being officially used again in France. However, his memory remained etched in the French people, perhaps thanks to the minstrels, and the pavé shield and crossbows became popular in France and continued to be used for the rest of the 100-year war, so it is good to recognize them. Here information from Osprey (David Nicolle, French Army of the Hundred Years Wars p39) about the importance given to the crossbowman in France in the 100 years war.


“MUSKETEER”
Sadly, the Musketeer is an Aoe3 base unit for various civs for a reason: all European civs used it for 1600 and up, but that’s the time of AoE3. Well, in reality, they work in pair with Arquebusiers and was distributed depending on the idiosyncrasies and expenses of the country, but in the end, it is not a unique unit, unless it is a specific body of musketeers. In the case of the Spaniards, they had the ########### de Tercio" and had special characteristics, such as that they were paid “little”, they dressed poorly, but they marched and aimed with incredible coordination. From the French, I know they have the Mousquetaires de la garde, thanks to Mickey’s version of the 3 musketeers (I never got around to reading the original book of the three musketereers, I had one in my library, but it got been eaten by moths). Sadly, again, they were created in 1622… and I already think that then we overdid the historical time frame of the game. They would be fine for Aoe3, in fact the 4th age evolution of the French Musketeer has that name, and there are some French cards referencing them:


War Cog.- Curiously, the new unique French unit, the War Cog, existed historically and is even recognized as the main ship they used for war. Again, from Osprey (War Cog - David Nicolle, French Army of the Hundred Years Wars):


ROUTIER.-
About the Routier, I remember having suggested it in another topic, using it as some kind of Shock Infantry (infantry that fulfills the role of cavalry), or mercenary light cavalry, or cheap infantry. I remember them from the campaign, historically they were supposed to be a new single French mercenary unit, but the damned rebelled against the country and caused destruction because it was more convenient for them.

Following the example of the Russian Militia troops, they could be a mercenary unit that is created but lasts for a while, and if you don’t get rid of them in time, they become a gaian unit that attacks any player, like wolves. It would be funny.

In fact, that mechanic of mercenaries or special troops of a single age, it would be nice if it was allowed to give some temporary regional units to several Civs:

  • Routier.- for France. Comes in the form of an Archer, Swordsman, and Light Cavalry. Cheap and is created in group, and only costs gold. Extra damage against villagers and buildings. Limited life time and becomes Gaia at the end of her contract. Feudal age, and cannot advance to veteran or elite and does not improve stats between ages. They cannot be deleted, now is your probleme, jeje.

Note: the routier “archer” throws stones with his hands, so cause siege damage but have low range and low damage, jeje.


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I would say, just rework chamber of commerce completely and make it a viable economic landmark with viable economic techs and bonuses!
Right now if you want to trade with the french its just more viable to build 1 or 2 markets on the side behind your aggression rather than playing a slow and deffensive build that completely telegraphs your strategy while not having any deffensive bonuses to rely on.

Hello,
I’m french and i suggest you to read this, its the wikipedia on crossbow wich has elements that are not in the english page (i Google trade it, sorry for the rudeness).

Master crossbowman: the office of master crossbowman was considerable in France from the time of Saint Louis. He had command over the foot soldiers. Du Tillet in his Collection of the Kings of France and their crown, chapter of the Constables, on the end, and Pasquier in his Researches, say that he was so named, because the crossbowmen were the most esteemed among the foot soldiers, the main forces of the French armies constituting archers and crossbowmen. The first of these authors adds that it was an office and not a commission, and that the colonel of the infantry succeeded him. He still had the superintendence over all the offices which had responsibility for war machines before the invention and use of gunpowder and artillery. It is difficult to establish more precisely what his functions and authority consisted of and in what time he was known by the title of “Grand Master of Crossbowmen”. What we have more certain is that on a debate between the Maréchal de Boucicault and Jean Sire de Hangest, in which the crossbowmen, archers and gunners maintained that having for superiors the Masters of the crossbowmen and the artillery, they were not dependent on the Marshals of France. It was on April 22, 1411, that King Charles VI of France judged that they were and would always remain under the charge of marshals aware of the war[3]. One of the first references of a Master crossbowman under Saint Louis dates back to February 1233, in an act in Latin confirming an annuity for the heirs of the late “Illustrious Master of Crossbowmen Jean de Surie”[4], a native of Lorris-en-Gâtinais (Loiret).

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The French could get the Couillard instead of the Pot-de-fer which could replace the Mangonel for them. The Couillard was a smaller and a modified version of counterweight trebuchet made apparently by the French. Instead of having a single counterweight swinging between supports on either side, it had a split or two counterweights passing on either side of a single support.

Due to this design this type of trebuchet was called “Couillard” which apparently referred to “A man’s nuts” in old French (I’m not kidding). I couldn’t include the specific word for said body part in this post due to censoring, so I settled with the closest meaning to the word that wouldn’t get censored.

Maybe the Couillard could get an attack boost when deployed near friendly buildings.

Edit: The French can also get access to an unique infantry unit armed with a Bec de Corbin polearm. Perhaps this unit could go by the name: [Gentilhomme a Bec-de-Corbin].

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