Give burmese 2nd archer defense upgrade

[AbuzzJam4677680]

Considering final infantry armor costs 300 food, maybe it is ok to let burmese research final infantry armor earlier in castle age. They may lose supplies for balance but give a way to have easier time against archers

[MatCauthon3]

5 pa in castle age isnt going to help them against archers. Just look at malians

[Gaudio3342]

@JolNarBinksak15

Restoring battle elephant speed to where it was before. This makes it much harder to kite bulletproof elephants and makes Howdah the archer counter it was intended to be

Yes. Elephants were overnerfed because of the khmer ones. They should be able to chase archers by a little.

Increase their speed to about 0.98 and take the khmer bonus away.

[Shulk8]

@Green4uu

You can do:

• Full Knights
• Knights + Skirms
• Knights + Crossbow
• full Crossbow + Mangonels
• double Siege Workshop into Scorpions (or even single)
• defensive Castle

Stop asking for buffs to Burmese, their civ design makes sense, and they have a stellar late game, the tricky part is getting through the early game and other civs have such weak spots too, for example Aztecs is strong early game but terrible late game.

• Full knights is not working, you need a combo or siege with it, but you will struggle against monks. Remember that knights are very expensive and hard to mass. You need a good feudal age to pull out a win with only knights.
• Knights+skirms is the best combo yes, but only when you have the +2 defense on knights otherwise it will be useless. You’d need a good amount of knights and skirms with balistics and again, you’ll probably struggle a lot against archers monks and siege.
• Knights+crossbow is way too expensive and you’ll die to more archers and a few monks.
• Full crossbows when you don’t have arbalester is kinda bad. If the game is even, you will lose early imp because your skirms suck, so you need a good eco to transition into something else, when an archer civ doesn’t need a good eco to destroy you early imp.
• double siege workshop ??? have your kidding me ?
• defensive castle ? he’s just gonna go somewhere else, put a forward castle on good hill, go to imp and treb you.

Then you say their civ design makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t make battle elephants relevant in 1v1. Burmese is a really strong monk civ but sometimes you’ll just die because at THIS moment of the game, you have no other options than making skirms. Aztecs early game strong ? I wouldn’t say this. They become relevant with a good castle age timing, that’s all. And they still have a good late game because most of the time they will have the relics. Burmese is one of the worst civs out in this game because you’re forced into a gameplay that can make you lose and you have to put so much more eco into your army to just not die to crossbows it’s actually sad. I’ll say it again, battle elephants are not viable in 1v1, there is not a single pro game where it’s tight and someone will transition into elephants. Burmese are never picked because even their late game is not that interesting. Yes you have good halbs and cavalry is better against archer class and they have bbc but that’s all. You will lose to most civs with a good tech tree.
And to top that, you don’t have any relevant eco bonus to get through hard timings. Either burmese need an eco bonus or get 2nd armor upgrade with skirms. it will help them survive and get a chance to build a good mid/late game composition.

[Gaudio3342]

@Shulk8

You can’t make battle elephants relevant in 1v1

Not even reworkng the Battle Elephant?