Give Camel Scout to Saracen and Berber

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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I play saracen a lot and it never occurred to me that they should have camel scouts until you pointed it out. Yea it makes sense, do it!

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This is true Vs cav civs only really? Anything else and you want scouts over camels donā€™t you? (Eg gurj donā€™t go cam scouts too often)

Thereā€™s a fair amount of fiddling we could do to get the cam scout to fit into Berbers.

I think balancewise theyā€™re on the strong side, but what might need tweaking is their 3 stable all in. Itā€™s stupid easy to do and win with, doesnā€™t mean itā€™s stupid strong. Just too easy to do.

So for example something like this: stable discount from 15/20 to 5/10/20

Gain camel scout.

Yes they overlap with magyars a little more in feudal, but they have the camel scout, so technically still not a full overlap.

(And if this was a perfect world /jk) make genitour regional, and give Berbers a different TB, that helps them in feudal or castle age, to make up for the 5% loss on knights (even though the other stable units suffer, the knights make the bigger impact)

Eg: TB: camels +2LOS(its super weak, Iā€™m just putting the first thing that came to mind) or heck, a TB for genitours :joy: as in genitours are regional, but Berbers give genitours +1 dmg

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So it only functions as a team bonus at all if playing with (presumably) Spanish or Portugese teammates, who decide to go for a pretty niche unit?

Sure, you can overhaul Berbers in major ways. But is this really the civ you would start with? Break something thatā€™s good on purpose to see if you can put it back together differently and a bit better? I may be a little conservative in this regard, but all else being equal I would prefer to keep playing regular Berbers for a while and see big changes to maybe Dravidians or Burmese or something.

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Exactly. Because berbers already have an amazing TB through their UT.

And would likely only be useful in 2v2 at that, due to trash viability, so itā€™s effectively more a civ bonus.

Ah yeah for sure . This was more a thought experiment. Of trying to fit camel scouts in.

And a thought experiment for making genitours regional so we see them used more, as they have so much overlap in berbers already.

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I donā€™t think Berbers need it, and think it could be strong in Saracens case if you go full feudal with market abuse.

But I think Turks could be a good civ to give it to it. The lack of pikeman let you in a very bad spot if you donā€™t make a flawless feudal age. Maybe, if you could start mass camels early you could have a better chance to survive if you have a slip in feudal.