Gurjaras Missing Second Boar

[cmfrydos]

GAME INFORMATION

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• GAME BUILD #: Latest (ongoing for multiple versions)
• GAME PLATFORM: All
• OPERATING SYSTEM: All

ISSUE EXPERIENCED

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Players should always start with the same number of boars/elephants/rhinos near their Town Center, typically two.

The Gurjaras frequently start missing their second boar, particularly observed on maps such as Glade and Arena.

For example:

Replay attached:
MP Replay v101.103.14579.0 @2025.06.12 211255 (5).aoe2record (3.8 MB)

Mapseed: -203892171

Related forum thread:
https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/missing-boar-in-glade/274037

My best guess is that the extra berry bush granted to the Gurjaras is interfering with the map generator and preventing the second boar from spawning. (Edit: It could also be related to the Camel Scout, which is also unique to the Gurjaras.)

Because Gurjaras frequently start with only one boar, their early-game economy is weaker than intended. This likely contributes to their 42 % overall win rate on Aoe2Insights, the second-lowest among all civilizations.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

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Frequently – approximately 36% occurrence rate in my tests (9 out of 25 trials on the Glade map).

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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1. Select Gurjaras in a skirmish match.
2. Set the map to Arena or Glade with an explored map setting.
3. Observe that the second boar often does not spawn for the Gurjaras.

[JesusSaves]

Yep just had this in 4v4 arena. No boar

[SpiritingIbi]

Not sure if it is civ specific, I also encountered one of my boars in the middle of the map (glade) as goth. However I also had a game with a teammate as gurjaras who was missing a boar on arena.

[cmfrydos]

Thanks for pointing out the Goth example. I missed the “deep‐map” spawn in my first tests, so I ran another 100 games as Gurjaras on Glade:

• No second boar in 8 of those runs.
• In about 15 other runs, the boar spawned inside, or even before, the wall opening in the map’s center; once it showed up almost equidistant from the enemy TC.

So it looks like boars occasionally spawning far inside the map is a general bug on Glade, but the complete missing‐boar only happens with Gurjaras.

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(Edit: Solved, see below)
Does anyone know why entering a script and seed into the Scenario Editor yields a different result than the in-game map? For example, if I copy the seed from a replay into the Scenario Editor, I end up with the wrong map.

Also, after numerous attempts in the Scenario Editor, I haven’t been able to reproduce either of the two issues mentioned above (a boar missing or the boar spawning too far outside the playable area). Does the Editor use a different script or map generator than the main game? Otherwise, I can’t explain this behavior.

Scenario Editor:

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Ingame:

What I mean is that, while the minimap and overall map shape look almost identical, the details, such as resource placements or boar spawn locations, are noticeably different.

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Okay, that question is solved. It turned out to be either the difficulty setting or disabling team positions. Now I’m able to recreate the in-game situation in the Scenario Editor:

So, what’s the difference? In-game, they lost a boar but gained a berry bush compared to the editor. Perhaps, instead of adding an entity, the game accidentally overwrote the boar when spawning a Gurjara player. I’m not sure. The developers should examine the Gurjara-specific code to track and fix this bug. Whatever spawned the bush might have erased the boar. Very vegan-friendly, I suppose!

[Michyy]

On Arabia second boar spawns exteremly far from time to time for Gurjaras.