Guys, let's vote for DLC civ you want

You are writing foolish things.

You will say in a moment that all Germans are Austrian … I guess you really care that there are no Austrians civ, right?

If you can write such nonsense.

" Soon after retaking Pyongyang, Li also succeeded in retaking the major city of Kaesong on January 19, 1592,[268] and met only minor resistance from the Japanese defenders.

Overconfident with his recent success and possibly misled by false reports,[269] Li Rusong advanced towards the capital city of Hanseong (Seoul) with his allied army of 20,000[270] on January 21, 1593. On January 26, the force ran into an unexpected confrontation at Byeokjegwan with a large Japanese formation of about 30,000.

Initially, the scouting party of the group under Cha Da Sho and a Korean general confronted a small band of Japanese numbering no more than 600 men. The party overran them successfully but soon ran into a much larger host under Tachibana Muneshige, and retreated to a nearby hill to defend themselves.

Upon hearing of his scouting party’s plight, Li decided to rush forward with the rest of his small host. He met up with his scouting party around noon, but by that time even more Japanese forces were converging on the area.

The Ming forces gradually retreated north while fighting off several waves of attacks. Li Rusong and many other generals personally fought in the brawl, and they sustained heavy casualties before they met up with the rest of their army toward the later portion of the day. Li’s horse was killed, and he was saved from being cut down by a samurai when Chinese officer, Li Yousheng, sacrificed himself by taking on the samurai who killed him, but in the interval, Li escaped.[271] During the ferocious fighting, Chinese armor proved no match for the katanas of the Japanese while the Japanese infantry proved equal to repulsing Chinese cavalry.[271] The Japanese pursued the defeated Ming army back up the pass to its highest point, and after a few more hours of fighting.[272] [273] [274] [275] [276] At that point, the Japanese gave up further attacks and both sides pulled back. Because the Ming suffered heavy casualties among their elite retinues, Li became reluctant to move aggressively for the remainder of the war.[277] However, the Japanese victory “did nothing to change the overall strategy, and the retreat from Seoul was delayed only by a few days”.[271]"
Li was Ming General BTW.

No, I am writting actually historically accurate statements. The HRE, whose very throne was Austria, not the Prussians, used Zweihanders, signed the Treaty of Westphalia, used War Wagons, and the Lizzipaner Cavalry was the personal horse breed of the Habsburgs (Austrians, nor Germans) royal house.

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so is Japan. and yet Japan is in aoe3

Also: The Japanese invasion into Jeolla province was broken down and pushed back by General Kwon Yul at the hills of Ichiryeong, where outnumbered Koreans fought Japanese troops in the Battle of Byeokjegwan and gained a victory. Kwon Yul quickly advanced northwards, re-taking Suwon and then swung north toward Haengju where he would wait for Chinese reinforcements. After he was informed that the Ming army under Li Rusong was pushed back at Byeokje, Kwon Yul decided to fortify Haengju.[271] Kwon’s force of 2,300 men were a mixture of regulars, warrior monks, and Righteous Army guerrillas.[271]

Bolstered by the victory at the Battle of Byeokjegwan, Katō and his army of 30,000 men advanced to the south of Hanseong to attack Haengju Fortress, an impressive mountain fortress that overlooked the surrounding area.[271] An army of a few thousand led by Kwon Yul was garrisoned at the fortress, waiting for the Japanese. Katō believed his overwhelming army would destroy the Koreans and therefore ordered the Japanese soldiers to simply advance upon the steep slopes of Haengju with little planning at about 6 am.[271] Kwon Yul responded to the Japanese advance with fierce fire from the fortification using hwachas, rocks, handguns, and bows.[271] The hwach’a (“fire wagon”) was a cart that could fire either 100 rockets or 200 arrows at once; the hwach’a took much time to load, but were capable of bringing down deadly fire.[278] Kwon had trained his men to fire their hwach’as all at once, and as the Japanese were packed closely together, the volley from the “fire wagons” inflicted heavy losses.[278] The women of Hanseong joined their menfolk, bringing up rocks in their skirts.[278] In the course of 9 assaults, the Japanese pushed the Koreans back to their second line, but could no further, losing about 10,000 dead in the process.[278] The Chingbirok wrote: “Kwon Yul ordered his soldiers to gather the dead bodies of the enemy and vent their anger by tearing them apart and hanging them on the branches of the trees”.[278] Facing unexpected resistance and mounting casualties, Katō burned his dead and finally pulled his troops back.

The Battle of Haengju was an important victory for the Koreans, as it greatly improved the morale of the Korean army. The battle is celebrated today as one of the three most decisive Korean victories (the other two being the Siege of Jinju (1592) and the Battle of Hansando). Today, the site of Haengju fortress has a memorial built to honor Kwon Yul. By this time, the Japanese invasion force of about 150,000 men were down to about 53,000 men with Chinese reinforcements arriving every day.[278] Most of the Japanese were suffering from hunger, frostbite, and snow-blindness and some Japanese soldiers were so weakened by hunger that they were unable to defend themselves from tigers in the mountains.[278] With the situation untenable, the Japanese retreated to the coast.
Kwon Yul was Korean BTW

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your knowledge in history is lacking.

How much more different would Comanche play than Lakota?

I agree, four civs is enough for this hemisphere imo. I really want Italians since they were supposed to be in the game to begin with along with the Swedes.

My dream would be:
Zulu
Ethiopians
Moroccans
Persians
Poles
Italians
Danes

Realistically we’d probably get half of that :frowning:

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I’d dream to have:
Koreans
Persians
Ethiopians
and Siams

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It was the army of the Emperor HRE and so what?

This is nonsense. You get lost in your arguments - you probably don’t have any more. You only write that because you don’t want Austrians. Admit it.

The army of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation is the army of the entire HRE, not the Austrians themselves …

Lakota are more well known and had Gall, Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse to the name.
Also, Lakota implies the other 2 -kotas (Dakota and Nakota) also get to join in teh game, while Comanche would be much more stand-alonish.

We could easily get Caddo, perhaps even Mapuches or Mayans (actually held out for longer than teh Aztecs, and had a semi-successful revolt); but I would rather see more Africans, Asians and European, first at least.

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No, i think it was a very stupid idea to make a “Germans” civ in the first place, and that indeed there should have been an Austro-Hungarians civ and a Prussians civ.
But that train has passed, and you would have to COMPLETELY redesign the already existing Germans civ, to get either Austrians or Prussians from it, on a fundamental level.

As it is, they are already represented on a balanced civ, and ALL Austrian unique military units are already taken by Revolution civs.

They would basically have to redesign 3 Revolutions and a whole civ, which is just not worth it, not to mention it would anger legacy players to lose the Germans civ in the first place.

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Germans… are weird ( same with Italians) as they weren’t "unified " unified until 1871. So whenever historical medias have to portray Germany before unification they would have to use HRE. like Civ 6

If we were to redesign the current Germans so as I said earlier, the gameplay would not change for them at all. Yet allow for a new Prussian civ.
It is a pipe dream I know, but where’s the fun in being realistic?

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But what is the need of it?

Also, Mutylator wants the current civ to be Prussians (without Musketeers, but with all those obviously Austrian elements?) and wants to get a NEW Austrians civ based on Mary Theresa’s rule.
This makes no sense, because the current Germans civ is already the 30 Years War Austria, much more than it is Prussia, in every level.

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Need? There is none ofc. I’d just like to see such an important nation in the time period be properly represented, the Prussian military is quite iconic and is currently basically absent from the game.

What Mutylator wants for the Austrians and Prussians is basically the opposite of what I want.

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I would rather have Polish, Italians and Danes, than a Germans split.

But if we were “forced” to split the Germans, the current civ would just be renamed to Austrians, get a new leader, and a rename of the Royal Guard Skirms.
The new civ would be the Prussians, not the Austrians, specially when the iconic Pandurs, Grenzers and Hajduks, are already all Revolution units, and one of the main reasons to Revolt as Romanians or Hungarians, in the first place.

It would actually be harder to justify the current Germans as Prussian, than to just rename them to Austrans.

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People are saying Africa is most likely to be next DLC anyway… Ethiopia is a must… hopefully Korea won’t be long.

During the AoE 3 era, the Austrians are the only German empire. The Prussians at the end of the game.

One civilization may represent a united Germany, but using what was already a form of unification, that is, HRE. The HRE flag symbolizes all Germans, while Frederick the Great and Berlin symbolize the Prussians. This means that this civilization explicitly wants to represent what was created in 1871, but in a manner appropriate to the era.

Austria is something separate. They would have their own:
units - Panjur, Hajduk, War Wagon,
Royal Guard - Skirmisher - Grenzer and Hussar - Hungarian Huszár,
cards (which would refer directly to Austria, not like the Germans to HRE - i.e. not at all),
own Home City - Vienna,
the flag - the Black and Gold or the Austro-Hungarian flag
the ruler - Maria Teresa

The Austrians would be a completely different civ from the Germans. The only changes that the Germans would have faced would be, for example, giving the Austrians back to the War Wagon, but receiving a new unique unit in return, and changing the name of the “Polish Winged Hussars” card to the Prussian Death Hussars (or Totenkopf Hussars). The Germans would get Jagers (in place of the War Wagon).

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I see three instead of two, am I missing something here?

PLEASE let Ethiopia be in the DLC.