the one from 15 months ago is nothing new.
the ones from a few hours age are the exciting thing.
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Wonder what the old one is.
Central Europe circa 1820 showing the Kingdom of Prussia (blue), the Austrian Empire (yellow) and independent German states (grey). The red line marks the border of the German Confederation; both Prussia and Austria controlled lands outside the Confederation.
Prussia’s expansion into the German Empire from 1807 (dark blue): green territories added according to the 1815 Congress of Vienna, light blue territories after the Austro-Prussian War of 1866. Yellow territories joined the German Empire in 1871 after the Franco-Prussian War.
Marine jack of the Reichsflotte 1848–1852
German Confederation (1815–1866)
Germans flag in AoE 3 DE
Banner of the Holy Roman Empire, double headed eagle with halos (1400-1806)
All these flags are similar to each other. It is simply a symbol of united Germans.
HRE was something similar to the European Union (a very generalized comparison).
Only a small part of Austria Empire belonged to HRE. HRE only applies to Germans (not counting Northern Italians and Czechs). So the Austrians can be a separate civ, as it was more than the Germans.
Most non-German aspects of the Austrian or Austro-Hungarian Empire have been split into revolutionary nations (grenzers, pandours, etc.) so it would require a major rework to actually make THE Austrian civilization in game.
Right now Germans with Hungarian revolution resembles the Austrian Empire more.
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Persia would be great to complete the Gunpowder Empire trio. With all the African assets already in the game I think it is likely we will see an African civ if any, I’d like Ethiopia.
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I dont think so.
Lets have a look at German/HRE charakteristics in the game:
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Hungarian revolution - Yes, by that devs tried to resemble Austria or Austria-Hungary army. And since Hungarian revolution is also available to Ottomans and Russians we cannot say Austria or Austrian state is sufficiently presented in the game, can we? Or Russians resemble Austrians as well? I am sure that not
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Capital city is Berlin. Yet, at the time of 30 Yrs war Berlin was a village. So Berlin is a reference to Prussia…
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German unit roster:
- Crossbowmen and Pikemen - universal unit, cannot be atributed to a specific civ
- Doppelsoldner and Landsknechts - general German unit mainly associated with present day Germany
- Needle Gunners - Prussian, not Austrian
- Uhlans - Originally Polish cavalry, later can be found in French, Prussian, Austrian, Russian and even British armies. So not specificaly German, Prussian or Austrian.
- War Wagons - Its Bohemian so therefore HRE unit. Well before Austrians began to rule Bohemia.
- Black Riders - According to Wiki they were used by HRE, Poles and Russians. No mention of Austrians…
- Jaegers - According to Wiki they began to be employed in German states, then can be found in almost every middle European army and Russian army.
Based on unit roster analysis we can conclude the present HRE/German army in the game represents historical German/HRE or Prussian Army.
- Now comes card overview, I looked for a specific German-sound cards:
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Polish winged hussars - their name says everything
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Solingen steel - Solingen lies in present day Nordrhein - Westfalen, very far from Austrian lands…
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Lipizzaner cavalry - Finally something linked directly to Austria (and Spain)
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Team teutonic town center - says everything
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Palatine settlements - Palatinate is not Austria and has never been ruled by them
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Spanish riding school - perhaps this is more linked to Habsburgs rather than Austrians
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Treaty of Westphalia - HRE treaty between catholic and protestant forces, no specific mention of Austria or Austrian lands (like Bohemia). More on wiki.
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Wallenstein contracts (church tech) - Wallentein was a Bohemian opportunist. He commanded his own mercenary army, equipped and fed by his large estates. Most of his war life he served to an Emperor but when he began considering to switch sides he was assassinated on Emperors order. Would you say he represents Austrian? I wouldnt. I would say he represents Catholics and HRE.
Based on all points there is one direct reference to Austrians, others are doubtful or nonexisting.
So, again, by adding Austrians there is no need for big German/HRE overhaul. Just one card could be removed.
Purely from historical point of view and apart from Germany/HRE Austrians should drop mercenary focus and bonuses. They should have grenadiers, musketeers, skirmishers, light cavalry. No heavy cavalry. Artilery on average or slightly above average. Navy should be slightly above average due to access to Antwerpy and Trieste but definitely not on par with British, Spanish or Ports. Technologies focused on defence and/or bonus on attack vs non-catholics (new mechanic ? ). Technologies like (e.g.) Land book, Basic schools, Patent of Tolerance, Jesuits, Multinational empire…
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It is a reference to the Siege of Vienna, which is in Austria, not Prussia.
" On 6 September the Poles under Sobieski crossed the Danube 30 km (19 mi) northwest of Vienna at Tulln, to unite with imperial troops and the additional forces from Saxony, Bavaria, Baden, Franconia and Swabia. The forces were also joined by several regiments of Zaporozhian Cossacks from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.[32] Louis XIV of France declined to help his Habsburg rival, having just annexed Alsace.[28]
An alliance between Sobieski and Emperor Leopold I resulted in the addition of the Polish hussars to the existing allied army. The leadership of the forces of European allies was entrusted to the Polish king, who had under his command 70,000–80,000 soldiers facing an Ottoman army of 150,000.[16]:661 Sobieski’s courage and remarkable aptitude for command was already known in Europe."
The Winged Hussars (obviously Polish) arrived!
Come on, there is no way you do not know of this historical reference. That is what the card is alluding to.
" The allies were now ready for the last blow. At around 6:00 pm the Polish king ordered the cavalry attack in four groups, three Polish and one from the Holy Roman Empire—18,000 horsemen charged down the hills, the largest cavalry charge in history.[37][38] Sobieski led the charge[16]:661 at the head of 3,000 Polish heavy lancers, the famed “Winged Hussars”. The Muslim Lipka Tatars who fought on the Polish side wore a sprig of straw in their helmets to distinguish them from the Tatars fighting on the Ottoman side.[39] The charge easily broke the lines of the Ottomans, who were exhausted and demoralized and soon started to flee the battlefield. The cavalry headed straight for the Ottoman camps and Kara Mustafa’s headquarters, while the remaining Viennese garrison sallied out of its defenses to join in the assault."
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I know, I know about the battle, but I do not see any reference to Austrians. Like Turks could siege Prague or any other city. I want to say Turks did not specificaly target Austrian city, they targeted Emperors city. I hope you understand me…
And if I accept the battle reference as a purely Austrian background still it would be only the second reference. So no major impact on overhaul.
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The whole HRE was Austria. It was, at heart, an Austrian state, that ruled over other German states.
No 
You validate HRE by todays eyes. Austria and HRE were separate entities.
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Austro-Hangarian Empire was the direct descendant of the HRE, not Prussia.
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While I wouldnt say the Germans represent the Austrians, I’d say it represents the HRE which was “led” by the Habsburg Emperors. That alone gives the faction an Austrain vibe I’d say. All references to the HRE are therefore references to the Habsburg and Austria in my opinion.
The first landsknecht were raised by Maximilian I, the archduke of Austria.
The Spanish riding school is in Vienna. It’s where they still train Lipizzaner horses.
The Polish winged Hussar card is a one time reinforcement, I’d say it references the Polish coming to the aid of Vienna.
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I am not speaking about Prussia. Dropped that theme.
Austro-Hungarian empire was the direct descedant of Austrian empires established in 1867. Austrian Empire was established in 1804 because Habsburgs would have lost Empire status when Napoleon was dissolving HRE. Austria was archduchy before that
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Austria was still the seat of the HRE. It was an Austria empire.
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! I do not dispute the origin of Emperors. But I differentiate between Habsburgs and Austria. And thats the difference
Yep, we are done with that.
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when? (20 characters)
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Since the Capital was in Austria, in this game’s timeframe.
Yes and no. That the weirdness of HRE. Yes, emperor was seated in Vienna. However, institutions in HRE moved from one place to another.
Like for example, in 14th century, Charles IV., the HRE emperor seated in Prague. But HRE meetings were held for example in Nurnberg.
Treaty of Westphalia was discussed in many places outside of Austria. Treaty of Augsburg the same example. After 30Yrs War the HRE was just a nominal power, no reforms from that time, no decisions…I would say HRE lived its own life at that time…
So Vienna was a capital city of HRE just nominally. We surely cannot say that from Vienna orders were sent into Germany to change their policies (after 30 Yrs War).
And just a sidenote. Imperial army assembled at the beginning of 30 Yrs War was not Austrian despite its name “Imperial”. It was a collection of armies from Catholic German states outside Austria and Bohemia. Commanded by German generals. Do you see the duality of HRE and the emperorship?
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