You guys make me laugh so hard sometimes
Weâll give it a few days before you realise how much this helps them.
Or did you forget Britons exist and the nightmare they create with +1 range?
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Without siege engineers. I wonder if thereâs any other civ with that combo. Sonager w/o SE
Iâm interested to see the math on the camels DPS and against buildings.
Same for the LC since it also gets the bonus now. I wonder if it applies to scouts, meaning thereâs a slightly better odds on eating dark age/feudal walls.
yeah interesting actually⊠could make camels a quite good raiding unit that faster attack bonus.
Yes. Malians and Cumans.
Yeah that would be huge. But the wording is âlight cavalry unitsâ. So IDK
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It seems that they decided that no civ can have both cav archers and ele archer, and since hindustanis are supposed to be linked to the tatars/mughals they had to prioritize CA over ele archer.
But the armour bonus is gone, so surely that whole âcamel that doesnât die to ranged attacks fast enoughâ issue wonât come back.
Tbh no one complains janissaries are innacurate cuz they outrange and kill everything even if half the shots miss. So +2 range is a win because shatagni is no longer a âpay to get basic janissaries at a stage of the game where they outrange nothing anymoreâ tech.
Also is their CA play truely dead? Iâve seen Lithuanians go HCA from time to time so it doesnât sound too bad for hindustanis either.
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Itâs a pity thereâs so much ambiguity with the civ bonuses. Shouldâve been pretty obvious. But will have to wait and see. Iâm assuming itâs LC onwards as well. But who knows, when you look at for example the ambiguity in the various archer civ bonuses
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Dude if this was true shatagni would already be a strong tech. Not sure if you ever played shatagni hc but thatâs whatâs laughable here 11. The tech is supposed to make your hc better but in fact it doesnât, at least not vs halbs (the units you are using hc against as Indians).
Briton archers have nothing to do with that. They already profit from +1 and so they profit from +2. But hc donât profit from +1 because the extra range reduces their already low accuracy even more. So why would +2 range make that any better?
Ofc if shatagni also improves their accuracy to match the former accuracy with lower range the tech is probably pretty strong. And yes you guys are right that irrespective of accuracy +2 range will be better vsâŠ
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⊠but especially since now they lost parthian tactics Indians will struggle hard against halbs (there is a reason you lately saw more ca than camels from them in 1v1) and the point is against halbs the new shatagni wonât really help if itâs implemented like the current one.
Sure but jannis are so strong bc they are a castle age unit. They are rarely played in imp except for 1 tc pushes that are followed up by fast imp bc opponent makes defensive castle. Ofc shatagni hcs in castle age would be strong.
Well maybe not entirely dead but if your opponent spams halbs ca without parthian tactics are simply not enough. They can work if youâre super ahead though. And tbh I donât think I saw civs like lithuanians or bulgarians go ca more than like 2 or 3 times. Probably that was in castle age I guess. I mean there always will be situations where it works but you certainly canât default into ca anymore as indians when opponent goes halbs.
Yes. This civ is just annoying now, without a single go-to unit (unless Ghulam is decent). The previous scout into CA play is weaker. Camels in castle age no longer tank arrows. Infantry still lack plate mail armor.
What if siege elephants turn out to be good enough to be as useful as a unit as siege rams? Could this make up for losing the other stuff?