Do you think 8 Campaigns? 5 new civs + 3 old civs
Or is it too much to expect?
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I think it’s not too much.
We have 5 new civs. So 5 for them
China and Korea have a rework, so one could expect 2 for them.
And since Japan would be quite left out with little changes for a future DLC, one could argue for a campaign here too that involves Korea or China.
That would make 8. However, the Romans were added without a aoe2 campaign (only a aoe1 type), so we never know.
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It depends on future DLCs, I’d say.
The Chinese campaign could be part of a Southeast Asia DLC, along with the Thais (I don’t think they’re among the 5 new additions) and the Chams. On the contrary, this is almost the last chance to add a Korean campaign in a regional DLC.
The Japanese… well, I think they’ll get a campaign with the very last DLC for AOE2, a “Forgotten 2” to fill in the remaining gaps.
So, to answer your question: 6 (5 new additions + Koreans).
Did they ever do anything else then 3 campaigns in a DLC?
Of course I wish there was more but this DLC already has so much other content so I don’t think we will see many new campaigns.
DoI had 3 new campaigns and one reworked.
Id say 6 campaigns one for each of the new civis and chinese getting one.Chinese one could be a grand campaign style one where you play as chinese japanese and koreans based off the imjin wars but this is unlikely.
The record was The Forgotten with 5 civs and 7 campaigns and 2 architecture sets.
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I expect 3, but the biggest number of campaigns we’ve gotten was 4, so who knows. I was expecting 2 civs but we’re getting 5.
Remember that Forgotten campaigns were added over time with patches.
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We are getting a lot of reworked scenarios, probably more than has already been shown in the changelog.
But the fact that we are getting a lot of civs makes me think that they won’t also give us a lot of campaigns.
They would have to price this DLC very high to make all the other DLC not look like a total rip off.
I expect the DLC to cost 20$ already, which is what the base game used to cost.
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I hope they add a “legendary” difficulty to the existing campaigns. 
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5 campaigns (8 if they add Chinese, Japan and Korea) is A LOT of work, as s campaign designer I’d say that’s the most burdensome part of every DLC because civs are pretty much similar to each others and not that hard to create and assets well they showed that when they want they can do that pretty easily.
But every campaign has 5 or 6 scenarios, new slides, voice acting, you need to write the plot and dialogue, the proper map design, triggers and most of all to test and balance them.
Again I’ve been proven wrong cause I thought they were just gonna add 2 civs so they can surprise me again with 6 or 7 campaigns but that means they’ve been working on this thing for a year if not more.
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6 campaigns. One for the Chinese and each of the 5 new civs.
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Who knows, The DLC has taken a lot of time since last with civs, maybe they did 7camaigns and the DLC cost 25€.
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I don’t want to be pessimitistic or something, but the previous DLCs have already proven that they’ve become quite greedy recently. I don’t think getting 6 campaigns for less than 25 euros/dollars would be realistic.
But I hope I’m wrong.
I didn’t expect them to give us 5 new civs in a single dlc, so I’ll let myself be optimistic for once and dream of 7 campaigns.
I know some people think Japanese are likely, but I dont think they would give them a campaigns without a rework. They don’t even have Access to any of the RU’s and they still have the Katapuro UT, I think they’re not considered done.
Chinese and Koreans on the other hand are very likely imo. Chinese in particular might very well receive a Tang Taizong campaign, especially if we receive a Tibetan civ.
And I think introducing new civs with no campaign would be a downer.
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I honestly would wish 6 minimum, 5 for the new civs, 1 for the existing Chinese.
I would also gladly accept if they all had individually 5 scenarios each.
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Yeah, I’m optimistic about the number of campaigns but I don’t expect to see 6 scenario long ones this time.
I mean they’ve had a lot of time for all that work lol.
I would agree, though I don’t think they’re going to get rid of Kataparuto, even if its anachronistic its a classic and something of a defining point for the civ. But given how V&V had something of a “soft focus” on Japanese and especially Vikings, I don’t think those two will be getting their own stand-alone campaign for awhile.
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You mean like Obsidian Arrows, Zealoutry, Boiling Oil…?
Vikings are still slightly more likely to receive a campaign eventually, because they have more known historical figures who interacted with various civs aside from their own. Japanese don’t have much of that, the Mongol invasions were mostly won thanks to natural disaster and aren’t attached to so many recognisable names and the Imjin War has the problem of being tied to Toyotomi Hideyoshi who’s already featured in a historical battle (which I don’t think should make it impossible, but if the devs didn’t see it as disqualifying then I think Britons might have had Richard Lionheart or Henry V rather than Edward Longshanks, and Persians might have had Khosroe rather than Ismail).
I give a 50% chance for 7 campaigns (5 new civs, chinese, koreans), 40% for 8 (also japanese), and 10% for 6 (no campaign for koreans)
I’m not quite so pessimistic. I know DoI of TMR didn’t have any 6 scenario campaigns. DoI gave us a brand new Legend of Prithiviraj (Prithviraj 5) as well as some meaningful updates to almeida and bayinnaung scenarios, more updates to old campaigns than other DE DLCs. TMR, I won’t go into the weeds of why, but I think was pared down to it’s bare bones after RoR undersold (SOTL did a best civ video mid 2023, and noted despite having a good winrate, romans had a poor pickrate, implying relatively few people bought RoR).
I don’t expect all the campaigns to have six scenarios, but considering MS seems to really be trying to push their games in china (aoe mobile developed by a chinese studio, AOM getting a china dlc, aoe2 getting a china dlc) I’m guessing they’ll let the chinese campaign (I hope Taizong) have six scenarios.
It’s hard to know exactly how much time they’ve had. I strongly believe this upcoming DLC is DLC5, the “missing” DLC in the game files, the DLC greenlit before V&V. V&V steam app was added in mid january 2024. So this DLC has been in the works at LEAST that long.
Admittedly some resources were probably stolen for AOM, tho considering what happened to the aoe3 DLC and the fact both of those games share an engine, my guess is aoe3 was the most affected game. I don’t think aoe2 content was delayed nearly as much.
From LOTW to TMR, a DLC was released every 8-9 months, with only RoR being a few months late, but TMR being back on schedule. So now that we’re AT LEAST 14 months post DLC5 greenlight, I think they’ll have had sufficient time for 6-8 campaigns.
Britons and Lithuanians got campaigns without reworks. Also they seem to like using new DLCs to give campaigns to old civs w/o campaigns. This china DLC is likely going to include most of the civs you’d want for a hypothetical future dlc that’d include a japanese campagin. If not now, when?
In regards to edward longshanks, LOTW really seems like it was conceived as the AoK bad guys DLC. So going for longshanks makes sense. In regards to ismail I think there are two reasons they went with ismail, one apparent, one more hypothetical. Since DotD it seems the devs really like the idea of choosing campaigns that will feature the other dlc civs in the campaigns. Khosrau was sassanian, and predated the historical inspirations of the in-game georgians and armenians. Secondly, there was the road map from 2022 that implied another civ split was coming. We has got the qizilbash and elite qizilbash as scenario editor only units, the only scenario editor unit to have an elite version. I really can’t know for sure, but It seems like the plan was to split persians, but after RoR undersold, they pared down TMR to it’s bare bones, and Ismail whether better connected to georgians and armenians, or it was further along, or just luck of the draw, was the campaign we got for the no longer split persians.
Also, IMO, in game aoe2 persians don’t seem to be a good fit for ismail. Now that we have savars, the kamadaran UT, War elephants, I feel in game persians are much more sassanian and only have gunpowder to also represent the safavids. Which I think is congruent with the qizilbash scenario editor unit. Would have been for an azeri civ (turkoman maybe more accurate, but I think they’d opt for azeri since we already have the turks, and I think it’d be unnecessarily confusing to have two civs so similarly named) that would have been a more gunpower/steppe turco-persianate civ, as opposed to the pre-gunpowder sassanian persians.
All this to say, I don’t think Ismail or Longshanks, necessarily are evidence the devs won’t give a campaign to someone who already has an historical battle.
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So far each DLC brought a campaign per civ, the ones only featuring 2 civs (LotW, DotD, MR) also brought a campaign for an older civ (Brits, Lithuanians, Persians) so I guess 6 campaigns (5 for the new ones and one for Chinese that so far only had a Historic Battle).
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