It’s not only because of ML (who is the best player in the world) but even beastyqt talks about that. Minute 27
So, the best player in ladder and the best player in Tournaments know that abbasid eco wing is op and there are still people who think it is just normal? Common, be serious. Everybody is talking about that.
It is obvious you can win, no strategy is free win if you are better than your opponent, but that doesn’t mean it is not the most op strategy right now. Cheaper TC, villagers, farms, houses, 15% more eco, 15% better farms.
When French were OP at the beginning, we still had games when we could beat them, the same with English +king 2TC, JdA God mode, etc, the same when OOTD or French were the worst Civs, I still got to Diamond using French when everybody was saying they were like Z tier. That you can beat someone sometimes or win with the worst civ means nothing.
We are trying to talk about a fact, and the fact is that right now Eco Wing is OP. The bonusses they get from that are far ahead from other civs bonusses, giving that civ a higher chance to win that should be adjusted.
if it has to nerf, please nerf those stupid English 5 villagers tower rush, white tower rush etc first. Those stupid strategies ruin the fun of normal game. Abbasid multiple TC play is normal valid game play. English and HRE are way OP than Abbasid.
They are almost at the same OP level, but we are talking about Abbasid. To talk about english we have others posts, specially knowing the next patch will basically buff both english archers and they will have no counter. HRE will get nerfed with a worst Chapel and an easier way to kill mass infantry+nerf to infantry tech. I don’t think HRE will be op anymore.
Possibly biased as a long time Abbasid 3 TC enjoyer, but I’d probably see how the new patch shakes out and be careful on any nerfs. The changes have moved Abba up considerably - but it was pretty bad before.
I think there’s a danger you get the classic situation of China for much of the game’s history. Considered mad OP by the best 6-10 players in the game. Seemingly outright bad by 99%+ of the player base.
I think Beasty has a wider point that all the “I can just sit in my base with early farms and not suffer economically” civs have an advantage over everyone else. I feel the problem for devs is that this is a bit binary. If they can’t sit in the base, they have to have the tools to go out and fight. Which then means they need to be more like all the other civs.
If I had to nerf Abba I’d do it softly. Stay put another 50-100 resources (probably gold) on the cost of Fertile Crescent perhaps. It would slow everything down a bit.
