theres really nothing to trigger though. one look at the stats and also state of current AOE4 says a lot already. further digging into it, matches seems boring, units still floating around last I’ve checked and graphic still cartoonish.
fact that they tried to create a battleroyale mode in aoe2 and failed hard, they tried it again with fornite unit looks in aoe4 and that also failed.
AoE 4 will NEVER replace AoE 2, unless World’s Edge actively tries to downplay the older games like they do now with AoE 3. AoE 4 is an embarrassment, very few content for casual PvE, graphics that’s only acceptable if the game was released 10 years ago, & campaigns that felt more like us watching a documentary rather than us who experienced the story and history like AoE 2. All those 15 years of development and they put out this game…
I for one think the franchise ended in AoE DE series and it should’ve ended there.
I agree with everything… if AoE 4 doesn’t pick up, the saga dies with the DE and there will be no AoE 5…
I can’t ever see AoEIV equaling or exceeding AoE2 in content. How many campaigns does the game have now?
AoE2’s content is vast and rich. The campaigns are the best thing about AoE2 and the one area that blows every other AoE game out of the water.
The tragic thing is, they CAN make it better but they won’t. Enchanted Grove is prove enough that they can tweak the game to have that purple filter eye sore and those fantasy deers.
Why should it replace AoE2?
I actually play both games pretty much every week.
They’re different enough to both exist. Both have fan bases, there’s a lot overlap in those fan bases.
It’s silly to think it has to be one or the other. They’re supporting both games quite actively.
Considering how new aoe4 is it’s already got half the sales of aoe2 de and it’s been out half as much time. Revenue is also greater. Original aoe2 has far more copies sold of course but that’s been out 20 something years and at the time it wasn’t competing with aoe4 just with aoe3 which was very unpopular so it had very little competition among other games in the series for 20 years.
In the future I can only see aoe4 growing in numbers, younger people that get into rts games are far more likely to choose it over aoe2 because graphically it looks 100x better. Aoe2 will maintain it’s core fans but I don’t see much growth potential in the game other than old players returning for DE. Totally new and younger players will almost certainly be drawn to aoe4 a lot more.
Even when my younger kids want to play they always want aoe4, if I play aoe2 they want me to change to aoe4. Graphics are very important especially to the current generation many of which see a game like aoe2 which is very out dated visually and are just turned off instantly, they even prefer aoe3 over aoe2. The mechanics of the game don’t even get a look in if it’s visually out dated.
Age of Empires 4, in a year and a half, has made more money than AoE2 DE (base game) in 3 and a half years.
Another issue is player retention and the ability to attract new players. To do this, it must continue to improve.
thanks for caring about MS money. They appreciate.
cause
2019> 1999?
or 3D>2D (div 3 = 3>2)
cartoon graphics for children. Proved.
You missing a big big part. if they ever will keep playing #### ## they will find themselves in Dota\Stormgate.
keeping customers in the game is very important.
If aoe4 attracted 10 people but keep 2. But aoe2 attracted 4 people but keep 3. Who likely to survive in long term?
3>2 (check proof above)
A lot of real-time strategy games have failed because experienced players dominated smaller player bases. If the upcoming game Stormgate attracts a large portion of Age of Empires 4 players, what will be the outcome?
Only pro players will continue to play, while new noobs will start campaigns but ultimately resign due to the skill gap. Surely it’s beneficial for sales but detrimental for the players’ experience.
AoE4 is a contender for upcoming RTS games. While AoE2 may retain its niche audience of “older players” (some may view this as a disadvantage, but it could serve as an advantage in long run).
So relax, and stop trying to fight aoe2.
Bit of a silly comment. Revenue is important if a game wants continued support, for MS aoe4 has made more money than aoe2 de, it’s direct competitor.
Yeah the graphics are miles better and that’s an important factor in any game especially for drawing new, young players into rts games.
The graphics are a little cartoony yeah but otherwise just superior. Compare mills and farms of aoe2 with those of aoe4 for example.
I don’t think dota necessarily appeals to all aoe players, I have zero interest in that game yet have played every aoe game amongst other rts games like rise of nations. Aoe games like aoe4 are based on medieval history someone who likes that era may well hate sci-fi type games like SC2.
Tbh I’d be surprised if aoe2 de attracts even 1/10th of the new players that aoe4 does. Aoe2 de has attracted old aoe2 players back to the game by giving it some fresh paint, there are a limited number of those. New people to rts I have a hard time seeing them be drawn to a game from 1999 over aoe4, especially at first glance.
Online is also a relatively small amount of the player base across all aoe games, most people just play campaign or skirmish vs ai. Very few people actually play online.
I’m not trying to fight aoe2, I play all aoe games. I’m just realistic in that I expect aoe4 to eclipse aoe2 de as time goes on, it’s just very hard to attract the next generation of rts players to a game that’s over 20 years old and looks terrible, despite how great the gameplay may be. Aoe2 will retain it’s older players, while I expect aoe4 to continue gaining new players.
Why should one game replace another? Both are popular enough to stand on their own.
I though aoe 4 graph were considered inferior for today and games on this year has better ones and are more eye candy for the players the game wants to attract
This is where you are wrong.
They are not competitors.
They are made by the same publisher and partially same developers.
They each benefit from the success of the other one.
people already had the opportunity to try aoe2 in the pandemic with a peak of 38.7 thousand, and returned to the usual numbers, who brought more players to the franchise is aoe4, declaring that fact was the cause of my ban by the tolerant pincheterneira, and if I put the graph of that fact, they censor the publication as usual in this forum
To a certain point yeah, if someone likes aoe2 they might be more inclined to buy aoe4 and try that which is keeping people within the franchise at least. That being said I’d think they want to focus more on the new release rather than pumping money into an older game, the new game is more appealing to new potential aoe players.
Games that despite their graphic demands have a higher ladder, are of the “total war” type, where you don’t have to go through the excruciating learning curve of managing resources, they have fictional units but what matters is combat, instead here . they will not tolerate an automatic queue, not even in the imperial age, obviously you will only see arguments here, like managing resources is fun, of course if you are a sick RTS fan it will be, excuse the expression, in my opinion a middle ground how to do 5 villagers with shitf makes things easier or see the number of villagers in each resource essential!
You are blind because AOE2 looks great, especially if you compare it to the castle destruction animation.
other than that i can not add anything new.
All your conclusion fixed on future of AOE2. Meanwhile, we are in AOE4 forum. And to your knowledge, AOE4 are losing hard… really hard with “graphic” to Dota\LoL\Anno\Setlers any other 3D game.
You choose the wrong opponents for your “superior” 3D. I literally doubt anyone noticed AOE2 for its “amazing graphics”. It’s not bad, but the target audience is not 3D lovers
AoE 2 DE has more than 35 official campaigns (plus 50-something that are custom)… AoE 4 has only 4 campaigns, if it reaches 8 campaigns it will be quite an achievement, but I highly doubt it…
Yeah, it’s frustrating…
That’s true…
Well… it was the pandemic, people were sitting at home with a lot of time and not much else to do, so gaming time it is. HD Edition had a similar peak at that in March 2020:
https://steamdb.info/app/221380/charts/
I doubt that AoE 4 brought that many new players into the franchise. I did a poll on reddit in January 2022 when the game was out for almost three months and the vast majority stated that AoE 4 wasn’t their first Age game:
https://www.reddit.com/r/aoe4/comments/s3k9ph/out_of_curiosity_is_age_of_empires_iv_your_first/
That makes sense as since its original announcement in 2017, people were absolutely hyped for a new AoE game. I guess if you’d do the same poll a year later, the figures would be similar.
Yup. I couldn’t care less for the graphics of a game when its gameplay is appealing to me.
If of course the new players, perhaps their first RTS, the first thing they did is join reddit, if they know that there is one, and they were pending any survey to answer it, I bet they don’t even know this forum, yes the game, stagnant between keeps, it overwhelms them, they just leave the game, they don’t come to a forum they don’t even know
