I watched the new video on GL, and they even opened champagne in advance

When asked how he viewed the negative reviews of the previous DLC, TheViper even replied that in his opinion, there were no bad DLCs.
There are many expectations for the new DLC in the comments section (although it is not 100% certain whether these comments are true), and it seems that many people, including some users who do not like this DLC, have no idea that the problem with this DLC is not that it is a new DLC about 3K, but that it is a half finished product without sincerity(Such as deleting Tang Gute and replacing the original Southern and Northern Dynasties forces with the names of the Three Kingdoms. Such and so on, there are countless examples, everything looks funny and ridiculous), and all the materials have been pieced together to confuse others!! Deception and semi-finished products are the core of the problem!!!
Just like a woman who purchased a bikini on a shopping website, but when she received it, she found out that it was a baby bikini, and the merchant insisted that it was the bikini you wanted.


And why do so-called new players like this “3k” new DLC?
Because some of them are just passers-by who try it out (they will buy it if they find it interesting), while others believe that they have purchased the real “3K” new DLC (but that is the scene they imagined, but they neither understand what the real Empire 2 looks like, nor do they understand that this so-called Three Kingdoms is a patchwork of scraps). Even worse, some people who don’t like this 3K new DLC will habitually buy it out of nostalgia.
Just like the owner of a pizza shop accidentally burnt the pizza today, he decided to sell it for $1 each. Passersby thought that buying such a large pizza for $1 was definitely worth trying, so they bought it. And when the homeless people in this neighborhood heard this news, they also decided to spend $1 to buy a pizza, which was obviously much better than the food they dug up in the trash can!! Because they have only eaten food from trash cans in the past!! This burnt pizza is definitely a delicacy they have never experienced before in the world!!
And those old customers who were originally complaining knew that today’s pizza was burnt, but they had become accustomed to the taste of this restaurant. Out of habit and emotion, they still spent $1 to buy today’s pizza.

I finally realized that the whole thing was full of deception, arrogance, and stupidity.
Just like before 2017, due to Intel’s dominance, CPU performance almost stagnated, and computer hardware manufacturers could not rely on the performance improvement of related hardware products as a selling point to sell new products. Therefore, various manufacturers began to promote various premium RGB lighting effects products, from chassis to various hardware products. This also led to novice users at the time shouting, ‘Long live RGB!’! ”(Most users don’t know what they need, they just need to be guided or deceived). It was not until the rise of AMD that computer hardware returned to the correct path of the ‘performance arms race’.

If there is anything else that can be changed now, the most direct impact will be sales and genuine reviews. Only in this way can their true interests be touched. Secondly, it is necessary to rely on better mods to correct these issues, just like what Forgetten Empires did when they saved the game 12 years ago. At that time, perhaps we will also have new ‘forgotten empires’.

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I think you are using the wrong metaphor.
It’s not a 1$ burned pizza since it’s not cheaper and not damaged.
It’s like pineapple on pizza and the forum is Italy. We all hate the idea of putting pineapple on pizza and we’ll get angry at anyone who does it but people from outside this forum don’t care and just eat it.

The DLC has little “objective” issues like missing voice lines or a probably short campaign.
Most of the big complaints are entirely subjective:

  • Extending the timeline
  • Kingdoms instead of Civilisations
  • Heroes in ranked/skirmish

All those things are subjective. Just because we choose to see them as red lines doesn’t mean other people do.

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The controversy surrounding pineapple pizza lies in its taste, and this “pizza” called 3K is clearly a terrible semi-finished product. So its controversy certainly does not come from different ideas about taste.
Just like some people prefer traditional Italian pizza while others prefer improved new-style pizza, but usually, no one likes raw pizza or overcooked pizza.
And what I’m saying is that many people don’t realize the real problem is that it’s a terrible semi-finished product, which is an objective fact.

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Clearly? You mean the missing voice lines? What else?
Everything else seems in line with all the other DLC or even better (like 5 instead of 2 civilisations).

No it clearly comes from that. 90% of complaints are not about quality issues with the DLC.
All the hunt for quality issues looks more like people trying to find more reasons to hate the DLC.

Yes but people do like this DLC. Not people here but people out there seem to do. So it’s neither over nor under cooked.

You need to learn to accept that things you don’t like don’t have to be objectively bad or that other people that like them are blind.
I would never play a game like Fortnite but it’s still the most popular game out there. People just like different things.

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Delete Tangut and mix various units of the three factions
Clearly changing the power of the Northern and Southern Dynasties to the Three Kingdoms.

It is already very clear that they did not intend to do the Three Kingdoms seriously from the beginning, they just wanted to use the names of the Three Kingdoms to cheat more money.

I have been reading for several months about the comments about liking this semi-finished product, and a large part of them are hollow and have a serious sense of superiority and aggression. They refer to themselves as the new generation, and those who discuss why they “don’t like this DLC” are called “antiques” and “outdated people”. Most of them are emotional expressions rather than logic, and I have even seen a lot of direct insults. Excluding some people who really like the 3K theme (but really don’t have any expectations for this DLC, it’s not a real 3K), many people are really unaware of what they want and what happened, and even what you call “blind people”, they are more like a kind of praise to them. Because at least those who were just venting their emotions have become ‘victims’ at this moment.

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I made a poll about what people hate most about the DLC and a whole 3% voted for “Unfinished nature of the DLC”.
[poll] What do you dislike most about the 3 Kingdoms DLC

The criticism about Khitans is pretty similar to the criticism of the Armenians or Dravidians from pervious DLC nothing special.
Yeah it’s bad but not unprecedented bad.

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And, again, I will tell you that your poll only collates the data of most disliked, not all disliked.

So, yes, while you only have 3% for your result, that is not indicative towards every concern one poll taker might have.

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Very correct, his investigation is seriously misleading. Most of the semi-finished product problems are more serious than the voice problem, but when I choose the semi-finished product problem, I can only choose this option about voice, which makes me seem to be struggling with a small problem. If I don’t choose this “voice problem” option, it seems that no one cares about this 3% small problem. Perhaps this is the result that this survey wants.

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I mean I personally would include not having Khitan and Jurchen campaigns as being half finished, as well as the fact that it kinda looks like they started making a Tangut civ and then cut it half way through and slapped what they already completed from it into the Khitans. And maybe the complaint about the Khitan civ is unfair, honestly its kinda annoying but its something that in a vacuum I could live with well enough.

But as someone who mainly plays the game for the campaigns, having civs added without campaign kinda pisses me off ngl.

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The fact that even the Chinese don’t get a campaign after 25+ years is simply bottomless. There was almost always a separate campaign for one that fit the theme.

A Chinese campaign would have been perfect in a DLC with Jurchens and Khitans… instead, the new medieval civs don’t get one, plus the Chinese.

But hey, for the 1000th time, let’s treat the faction war as a campaign lol
A campaign about the Khitans and Jurchens would certainly have been quite unique. Which countless games have already covered this?

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I couldn’t agree more :clap:

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The DLC is garbage and anyone involved in its development should be embarrassed.

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That’s too over. The developers are hired to make the game, and they need the salary. Obviously, it’s the decision maker’s fault.

Tho poll choice was clearly about everything unfinished and I only listed voices as an obvious (and undeniable) example like I only listed the Traction Trebuchet as an example for new unit.

All the other issues are similar or even less severe than issues previous DLC had like completely historically wrong Armenians or fantasy unit and technology for Dravidians.
Both issues are still in the game btw.

The Lords of the West UTs were probably more controversial than any gameplay aspect of this DLC.

Oh I totally agree, other than the heros I don’t think any gameplay aspects, in a vacuum, are controversial at all. I just wish true civs got them and not sub-factions of pre-existing civs. And even with the heros, while I still don’t really like them conceptually, seeing some of Ornlu’s testing videos I think they’ll hardly ever be seen because the benefit isn’t really worth their massive training cost.

I’m speaking to my own problems with the DLC which are (almost) all thematic as opposed to gameplay related.

15 scenarios is the lowest of any DLC, joint with The Mountain Royals. Plus it seems that three of them are actually the same scenario from different perspectives, so in a sense it’s actually 13. People are making comparisons with The Conquerors because of the five civs, but The Conquerors had 26 scenarios!

Not that quantity is an indicator of quality – but for a DLC that’s being marketed with the campaigns as the headline feature, it does seem a bit odd.

I don’t see the similarity. I think it’s more like Burmese having a Manipuri unique unit/tech, although it does seem a fair bit worse than that.

Not the snaring mechanic? Or the reflected damage? Not as conspicuous as heroes, but both seem pretty bad to me.

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