I wonder if the Australian civilization would be worth it?

I get all the “being upset because I have to virtue signal” stuff but really, when someone describes them as primitive, if you stop to examine the situation, its because comparatively they were, not because “racism.” Its not the fault of the Australian aboriginal peoples, not calling them inferior and not indication that they did something wrong. It was luck of the draw- they ended up on a mostly uninhabitable landmass, restricting population and trade. No neighboring tribes in all directions like you find in the rest of the world, instead it was heavily coastal and still sparse at that. Speaking of which, the influx of external ideas- something every other culture relied on for advancement- was comparatively low. Nobody else in the world became “Advanced” on their own, but by cultural exchange and trade. Unfortunately the Australians were limited by geography in who they could trade with and how frequently. This also lead to a lack of genetic diversity which also, historically, is a weakness since the competition of a constant influx of stronger traits was not as intense as it would be in other places.
So they were never to invent a lot of the technologies and concepts the rest of the world did, but it would be extremely remarkable if they did. Imagine one society inventing all the things that were pulled from all across the world to allow Rome to become what it was, or that made the Renaissance what it was? They lived in harsh conditions and adapted to those conditions, developed their own culture that was not challenged to have to adapt as frequently as most through wars, migration, alliances, trade and other things that draw humans together and into competition. That’s just how it is, its not an indictment of the people.

For the game they would not be a good fit because they were so far from the rest.- though this is based on primary research that was not carefully collected at the time it could have been by historians. They did not develop the same kinds of weapons, sticking mostly to a shield with clubs and spears as well as the boomerang, which is really a throwing club we’ve built a false image of. Generally their warfare was ceremonial and among small groups that announced themselves, and involved the practice of religiously-significant “Sorcery”(that’s how I see it described in the material) before the battle. Then the men would fight and then everyone would go home. Sieges and siege equipment weren’t really a thing, fortifications were minor. Stonework was not a bedrock of a power base. Competition for lands was not as intense. People who were “professional” soldiers appear to not have been very common at all. Developments in armor did not really take place, as such armor-defeating weapons did not either. Another one of those consequences of the lack of external ideas, although maybe it would be a positive overall, is their warfare did not escalate(as far as we know) beyond the settling of feuds and the punishment of criminals. Its not a matter of lacking metalsmithing, as the natives of the Americas still had all of these, as well as more organized forms of fighting, sieges, ambushes, dedicated/trained military units, etc.

It just feels like it would be a very strange inclusion to put this group that had no ambitions of conquest against all the others who most certainly did.

TL;DR- When someone says a group was primitive technologically, it doesn’t mean that they disapprove of the people or are casting aspersions onto them as individuals or a culture. Its just a baseline comparison of technological and ideological development devoid of an explanation of how or why it came to be that way.

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Was this really a thread that needed to be not only bumped but given a meaningless essay?

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I thin an australian/polynesian expansion could be interesting at some point.
Maybe not right now, but it’s definetely something I would look forward to.

I think it would open new possibilites for new non-cavalry civs. Ofc we can’t just use the eagle warrior there, but we can potentially something similar to the “Falcon Warrior

And in terms of Aboridinies i again would be really interested in a Boomerang Thrower. Maybe it’s incorrect to show them with homing projectiles, but it would be really cool to have the projectiles flying in a circle I think it could make for a really interesting unique gameplay.

Atm I would be more interestd in some African civs which would be more traditional archer civs, but in general I like the idea of thinking a bit moreoutside the established patterns of the game and disccover new terrain.

Here my Idea for the Boomerang Thrower:

Name Boomerang Thrower Elite Boomerang Thrower
Armor Class Infantry Infantry
Produced at Castle Castle
Production Time 10 s 10 s
Production Cost 50 G, 15 F 50 G, 15 F
HP 40 50
Speed 1 1
ROF 2 2
Attack 4 Melee 4 Melee
Range 7 8
Accuracy 20% 20%
Melee Armor 0 0
Pierce Armor 0 0
Benefits from Infantry Upgrades , Ballistics
Upgrade Cost 45 s 300 G, 500 F
Special Projectiles fly in a Circle
Special Projectiles deal always full Damage

The main counter to it would be Heavy cav. Siege is also possible but needs to be careful cause of the melee damage. Archers can be microed against it but need to be careful against other mixed in units like archers, skirms or siege.
The Accuracy is low, but the spread shouldn’t be too high. With the low accuracy but low spread there is the intention to cause some kind of “carpet fire” effect that heavily restricts the opponent movement in a combat situation.
The unist isn’t intended to be used just on it’s own but rather make the other units in the comp more effective cause of the unusal projectile flight pattern.

You basically woke up a 2 month dead thread for no real benefit, so I think it’s fair enough.

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I don’t see how Australians aboriginals would ever make the cut. The Tongan empire is the only real option for the region. The Polynesians even had a kind of “catapult” that could act as a siege unit.

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I don’t know. Unique units they have for sure: the boomerang guy.
You are now building a more complete Polynesian pack:

  • Aboriginals with their boomerang,
  • Maori with their distinctive warrior,

Yap? Pohnpei? Samoa? Tonga? They all had empires or kingdoms, & units we have a bunch, from ocean-faring canoes to “knights” with shark-teeth swords.

They even can build in water with bongaloo-style architecture: that would be a nice distinctive pack feature: they won’t run out of space in water maps. Even their wonders can be build over water (Nan Madol).

They could have catamarans, very fast + cheap ships that are designed for raids + herassing shorelines.
(available from feudal)

I mean no offence, and if I’m wrong please correct me, but I thought the Aborogines were a non-warring civilization with no significant architecture? How would this civ even work in this game?

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No one ever is completely peaceful.Some think north americans were a peaceful people but inter tribal war fare was very common.

Building set and wonder they can always make a fantasy one.

I remember coming up with a concept for an Aboriginal Australian civilization once. One of their handicaps was that they couldn’t build Farms like other civs. To this day, I still wonder what it would be like to play an RTS wherein you got all your food from hunting and gathering and couldn’t plant crops at all. I doubt you could pull it off in AoE2, however.

On the other hand, Melanesian cultures like Papuans or Fijians might be slightly easier to implement as playable civilizations since they at least had agriculture and raised pigs for food. I dunno what their architecture past the Feudal Age would look like though.

I guess if you give them some building that auto generates food the lack of farm could be mitigated to a level.

Despite you behaving like an absolutely awful and toxic, foul mouthed person, the issue was that you bumped a 2 month old thread that didn’t need to be revived so don’t go throwing stones.

I’m surprised your swearing hasn’t been deleted yet.

The Aborigines went definitely to war. The most extensive ethnological literature about Aborigines which are not at all uniform linguistically and culturally speaking is about the Murngin (Yolngu) on Arnhem Island.

They had relatively simple types of dwellings which isn’t really surprising considering their nomadic lifestyle.

The most extensive ethnography on Murngin warfare is by W. Lloyd Warner.

I really recommend reading Douglas L. Oliver very extensive ethnographic description of Oceanic Cultures:

You have the European corral in AoE 3 and the Mongol pasture in AoE 4…the two building create cattle from which you can collect food…The same system is used with the Gurjaras…

dravidan is australoids best
malay is austronesians