What if Bearded Axe was removed and automatically rolled into the Elite upgrade, kinda like Mahouts with the Persians? I then thought that it could be replaced with a new unique tech, Chateau, which reduces the cost of Castles by 30%, thus removing that bonus and replacing it with a stronger tech that requires initial investment. It should make the Frankish Castle drop much less oppressive, while preserving its identity of cheap Castles.
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It is pretty similar to slavs castle age UT. But I agree with you that bearded axe or any UT that only affects UU it is pretty lame…
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Yes, of course, but keep in mind that the Franks are the OG cheap Castle civ, so if anything, the Slavs are copying them. If necessary, we can always replace Detinets, since I don’t really see Slav players using it anyway.
I’m 100% on board.
However,
I don’t like this. I have some fancy 2nd UU idea for Franks that will replace their Knight line. Will post it here if I finalize it.
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What don’t you like about it?
Not a good idea. Cavaliers and Paladins are definitively French. If anyone should have that unit, it should be them.
Same as above comment. OG civ, OG bonus. No need to copy-pasta of Slavs.
Not necessarily. The root of the word is French word “Chevalier” which is basically French word for “Knight”. But in English there is also different meaning -
Correct me, if I’m wrong on this.
Anyway, Paladin is not moving. Now I need to think about Cavalier.
Edit: Previously I asked for “Arbalétrier” as an UT that gives archer line +4 MA and Franks get Arbalester. Inspiration was obviously Arbalétrier and Gambesons from AoE_IV. People pointed out how dumb it is to give a civ without Bracer and TR. And I realized, it was indeed a dumb suggestion.
It is used a lot in long team games actually
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I thought in something for the archer line too… maybe a good boost for arbalest, but remove HC for tech tree?
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- Berry bonus is removed.
- Cavalry hp bonus increased from 20% to 25%.
That’d be a great balance change. They won’t be able to do too many castles without getting the upgrade first. And axemen might become a bit more useful than now but I feel like apart from the range, axemen might need some more changes to become a viable alternative.
Berry bonus getting removed is ok but cavalry hp bonus at the very least should get staggered. 15% feudal, 20% castle, 25% imp. 56 hp scouts will force an extra hit from spear, 3 extra hits from other scouts which is quite a lot.
But franks before berry bonus was just meh.
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They weren’t meh. It was a different time, insane generations of Arabia, more civ imbalance, lag, keyboard input delays etc. All of those are gone now - lag, tower rush, house cost, Hun CA discount to name a few.
Right now a few other civs like Chinese, Mongols might produce that effect again but those civs should also get nerfed in parallel.
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That will change their identity. I don’t want them to have any archer related bonus, nor even decent archer line.
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