Is it intentional or a bug that Russia's counter-dragons cannot be upgraded to the Imperial level?

[GwentMaster2163]

Otherwise, this unit will become useless in the late game when replacing the infinite horse archer card.

[OperaticShip743]

List of suggestions for upcoming patches. (2024)

Russian exclusive improvements: [image] Lifeguard Jaegers [image] In addition to the current benefits, enable imperial upgrades for this unit in forts. Or they just improve automatically. Also add an infinite card of Oprichniks at age 4, so that it has good long-term momentum, since this unit replaces the Oprichniks in the metropolis. [image] Same for counter dragons, enable their upgrade to imperial.

I don’t know if it’s a mistake, but scaling up to imperial statistics would be ideal.

[EricTheRed283]

In the old game those units never had imperial stats but then they never replaced Cavalry Archers shipments with them. Still they have better attack animation and movement speed which makes them better for hit and run attacks then Imperial Cavalry Archers.

If you revolt to Finland you can get Imperial Counter Dragoons.

[vividlyplain]

@EricTheRed283

If you revolt, you can get Imperial units.

Paraphrased but completely balanced and sensical.

[coffeeco01]

I mean there are other cases of church units not scaling to imp

Blue guard

Spanish Royal Halbs

Swedish halbs

the only really odd case is the italian Carabinieri which got scaled with the goons iirc after people complained ( i think it should have just stayed as something you use with revolts)

the others are either replacing an exising unit line (ranger, ordiance rifle) affects existing units (zweihander) or is designed with revolts in mind (old guards)

The counter dragoon is also funny cause the upgrades cards are kinda there to make up for the lack of imp, since they get a +20% combat card so combined with the HP and combat card they get +45/35% stats which means they are only slightly below generic imp dragoon but gets that that extra bonus

also since the counter dragoon is just a reskined dragoon, it also affects the Romanian revolt since the combat card will stack with the rossior dragoon. BUT they even added a shadow tech that removes the Counter dragoon’s light cav bonus when you revolt to Romania.

So on some level its definitely designed

edit: also Russian light cav in general gets boosted big time in the finland revolt, They get imp but also an additional 20% HP from finnhorse. I think finnish cav archer and counter dragoon are probably the strongest light cav in the game

[Whitby96]

I have looked at this previously and was disappointed they couldn’t be imperial upgraded.

I don’t see any reason why not, they’d be a nice option for Russia lategame if they could be.