Maybe one of the main problems of Italy in treaty is the absence of an efficient anticav, of course, they have decent dragoons and good halbs, but those units are situational and hard in coin. This can be solved with a buff of their musk. Italian musk is maybe the worst if we compare vs European civs which have access to that unit because all except Italy the civ receive some good bonuses for that unit:
British: Receives a guard upgrade, 3 cards, and the church technology.
Ports: Guard upgrade, 3 cards.
Spanish: ######### guerrilla, corselet, and unction.
Russian: is cheap, Pjotr’’s Toy Soldiers card and they can build fors.
French: 2 cards and they can benefit from promotions with French Royal Army. Also, they can access royal musketeers and royal dragoons.
Italy has 3 cards: one for hit points, one for an attack, and one for a melee attack.
maybe with this buff, Italy could improve a little bit in this modality, because now they are at the bottom of the tier list.
Even Mexican musks from forts are better.
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vocĂŞ nĂŁo pode por em conta o musk espanhol com a penalidade de velocidade
At least they have Musks, Italians aren’t supposed to have strong military units. They have a flexible economy and papal auxilaries.
If halberdiers are too coin heavy use your lombards.
but is economy in treaty is even bad, they drain really hard in coin without natives. their papal units train slow (21secs) and are shipments, Papal units are almost useless in that modality, is really hard to see those units in a game.
Even mediocre anti-cav is still anti-cav they still beat cav.
Italian Musks are no better than Spanish musks, who takes the speed penalty anyway?
You can send papal units when you don’t have a shipment to send, they’re mostly there to boost your regular units
The Spanish musk are one of the worst in the game. Peninsular guerrilla now gives 10%, church technology greatly penalizes speed and unction don’t count it because it is not used in competitive, neither in 1v1 nor in 2v2, only in very very long games…
this is in the context of treaty.
my mate forgot some upgrades, they have the same speed of british musk. They have the highest attack of European standard musk and a decent HP, only -10% speed of italian musk, spanish musks are really good unit.
Have u tried to make papal units when u are fighting in treaty?. Literally u have to waste a hodkey in the Basilica, wait 21 secs and spend 900 resources to get 3-7 units, when the train time of normal units is about 6-7 secs. As anticav they are really bad, they can’t stop good cav like chinacos, lancers, raiders or Nagis.
Pls no buff to italians anymore. They just,got nerfed a little bit so that people don’t lame it so hard… now you want to buff it.
On treaty they are the worst civ to play. Worse than aztecs. Papal units suffer the same as Urumis, dog soldiers or Skull knights, they arent usable for slow train time
A buff in treaty normally doesn’t represent a big change in supremacy equilibrium, Sometimes good units in supremacy are bad in treaty and the converse, as u can read in the above comments of Spanish musk. They need a balance, now they are the worst civ.
But if you buff the musk. It will surely change the supremacy balance. Vast majority of players play the standard game mode so balance for it is more important than a niche game mode
Yeah italy issue in treaty isnt really musk, which musk arent star units in treaty anyways, its their eco isnt to par. Thr new berselgari is good and papal stuff hits hard but cant mass papal stuff. Given how italy is top tier in 1v1 and solid in teams, best bet would be to lock any buffs behind imperial politician or techs to prevent itsly having an even nastier cannon/infantry combo. Imho that would be better than buffing their performance in sup easily more.
agree, the musk is not the problem but it could help a litle bit, they need an anticav 1 pop unit that not depend only of melee. Yeah, the buffs need to be as u say said,t are not usefull in the most of suremacy games.