Nomad megarandom FFA game mode
This is probably the best game mode in aoe4. This gives nearly anyone a chance to win. Played a last night and come 3rd plat 1. The person that won was gold 2 and 2nd was Diamond 2.
We already have it for custom games. It needs a ranking system and some more features that separate it form your normal rank games.
Aoe4, campaign and 1-8 players multiplayer. Simple like every other rts game. You could add 16 players and could make it the battle royal of rts games
There are some major issues, but I don’t think people are pointing them out, they’re just focussing on the more played factions.
Turkey:
-Needs to have a limit on the number of free units. Cap it at 30 or something. Unlimited is just unreasonable.
Delhi
Put a limit on the number of scholars to 6. I just played a 3v3 Delhi elephants with 30 healers and it was unstoppable and ended the game on its own. 20 crossbows vs 1 healer and it kept getting healed before the next volley, no dent to that army was possible.
increase research speed slightly or reduce cost of scholars, but keep them limited.
HRE
This needs to be nerfed. Their eco and soldiers pick up speed so quickly and then they’re unstoppable.
China
Good AOE siege with the bee’s nest, probably needs some nerfing too and something similar to other factions.
Generic stuff:
Bring an auto queue button.
I like the game and do enjoy it, but it’s so unbalanced that it’s putting me off from the game…
At the moment players need to avoid certain situations or the game is over and theres nothing you can do to stop it. Delhi with invincible healer numbers; HRE accumulating bonuses; or surviving Chinese siege build up. I get wanting to give unique stuff from each faction and different play styles, but each faction should be able to defeat each other (no matter which age), even if it’s slightly more difficult but not unstoppable. At the moment it’s rock, paper, scissors with factions and you have a narrow window before it’s over.
With 3 madrasas, each technology takes practically 1 minute and 34 seconds. please make your arguments with data
Nest of Bees already has the smallest effective range of the splash damage siege and doesn’t have a bonus vs ranged like Mangonel does. Why does it need to be nerfed?
Have you looked at any of the data? Like on aoe4 world for example. It’s usually pretty well balanced.
I don’t think any of the things you mentioned are unbalanced really. Although, it’s too soon to say what the post PUP patch balance will look like.
I’m just like you, man
Landmark Feedback: Just in case someone else did not mention some of these observations on the landmarks. Some of these comments are collected from other’s observations.
Berkshire: Very good with the 15 range accross the board and garrison arrow damage specifically. Would be nice if it could have a second cannon, which no one has.
Wynguard: Concept is awesome. However, I think the actual units need a lot of work.
(a) The Treb Army is still awesome because it is a such a deal, and you improved it perfectly by making the units complement it instead of being a hodge podge. The pikemen defend the treb, etc.
(b) But the footmen and rangers are pretty expensive for basically MMA and longbowmen. Especially since you only get 6 at time. The rangers, like bowmen, you would want to have dozens in imperial. Same with the footmen. Perhaps make them even more expensive but you get a batch of 12 or 20! unless that is too nuts.
(c) The Raiders are boring and expensive. Some people may like it, but I speak for a certain minority that don’t really appreciate the faster production time (of a regular unit). I will just build more stables. Especially in imperial!? My argument against the council hall for the past year, was it is only saving you 300 wood (2 archery ranges) or basically vill time of 7min. But this matters in feudal where seconds count. But in imperial I have no use for this.
Khaganate and Sultan: These are pretty awesome buildings. However, they still suffer from the pop limit problem where your free resources are wasted if you are pop limited for too long. Unlike the Wynguard, where they are just queued up. More of a problem for the Sultan building since it eats up an additional 4 wasted pop limit because you have to put scholars in the building to speed it up. One other suggestion for the Sultan building, is to have it put out a mix like the Khaganate and Wynguard, perhaps the Cannoneer elephant and 2 scholars, etc…
Red Palace & College of Artillery: Amazing and perfect. Frankly, some of these changes are buffs to both landmarks making the choice just as agonizing as before.
Meinwork: Excellent. Special permanent bonuses to HRE awesome infantry is great reason to build it. Really, you don’t need the Aachen, even if farming. You can just have 3 monks standing next to 3 mills and get the same effect. Plus, when there are fish I always build the Meinwork.
Kremlin: Great concept, except really should extend militia to longer than 90s, such as 2-4 minutes? They are still going to disappear, so it is not a massive army or anything. But an feudal attack on your capital can easily last longer than 90s, and you are only getting 6 guys who are not free. The 4 minutes would make sure you are safe, assuming the militia does not die. Speaking of which, I could not confirm, but if they do die, you should be able to generate another 6 guys.
Abbasid: Amazing and popular but some feedback:
(a) For the military upgrades, it would be more persuasive if the 3 units it produces are from a future age (to make it more special). For example, if you use it first to go to feudal, you get 2 MMA instead of the pikemen, and 3 hand cannoneers going to castle.
(b) But at least make them part of the new age. Pikemen are from dark age. So the feudal units should be 1 horsemen and 2 archers (if your are going for the 240 resources).
(c) I believe if you complete military as the fourth wing, you just get 3 cannoneers since you are in imperial technically. But the units should be more “post-imperial” or valuable since it will be later in the game. The 3 cannoneers would be fine if you used it as your third wing to age to imperial (720 resources), but if as your fourth wing, it should be 960 resources then, (which could be just 4 cannoneers at least). But even better would 1 culverin (which is only 40 resources more than the 960).
Kurulatai This is great. Some people are worried it is OP. Lugging this thing around is a ###### so it is not OP. Besides, nothing really changed but the radius boost. Again, it can’t move easily (and is identifyable by the enemy to destroy). The pain in the butt requirement of having the khan (who is always dead or missing-in-action) next to it, just means it doesn’t work most of the time. Whistling arrows stacking just keeps the khans value the same. It is great.
Rus Landmarks: Fantastic. Healing Rams is a great idea. Especially since you gave the upgraded rams to everyone else now.
Thanks for reading.
Might be nice to turn the 30% increase in trade income into a technology that can be researched in age 3
If kurulatai is packed, it can be activated by Khan. It is not required in the expanded state. would be more useful
Add back the non-cheating hardest a.i. I do not want to play against a.i that gets a massive econ boost, certainly do not wish to lose a non-cheating difficulty setting for it.
Yes, I agree with it…
A little OP, but if AoE 3 has cards that send you armies of more than 25 units I do not see why not…
Just in case these did not get logged, I have a collection of observations and opinions about some of the features in the PUP that I agreed with.
Walls: I will be the advocate for the defense lovers. Boo on the wall nerfs. Especially the 7 wood for palisades. Early aggression is good. But you would get more if you raised the cost of aging rather than weakening defenses so all we can have is pikemen fighting each other. All these wall haters are trying to play some other type of game. Walls and keeps are part of the game. Breaking them is part of the game. Just let these people turn off the walls and keeps in a different game mode.
Worthy of a different thread is the option where some of us will acquiesce to the defense nerfs if you had upgrades to these walls in each age. 1250 for a palisade in imperial is pointless. Probably in feudal as well.
Fish: I am not sure why the deep sea fishing was nerfed. To reward farming? Fishing is fun and dangerous and should pay accordingly. The buff to the shore fishing by boats is good. Helps to double produce in dark age and not be punished by poor gathering rate of those boats. Was not sure why that was the case before, other than to encourage villager shore fishing.
Minimally minimal should not be a cheat but a Hotkey!
Elephants: All very good, but they still need at least nominal trample damage. HRE landsharks have area damage, but not war elephants? A unarmored naked swordsman has more “trample” damage than a 3 pop elephant?
Siege: Good, but again, if siege is buffed (again), then there should be an upgrade (or buff frankly) to defense for the siege to break. I noticed with the cheaper Ribauldequin and Artillery Shot a continuation of the the new paradigm (started by Great Bombard) of using siege more for anti-infantry than anti building. Because siege is probably not used because it is not NEEDED. Who needs siege weapons when you can take down a keep in 5 seconds with men with torches. If only the besiegers only knew that in the middle ages, they could have saved a lot of time not bothering to build siege at all. Just run up to the castle and hit it. Anyway, with weaker less common walls and keeps, siege becomes pointless. So I guess making it cheaper and used against infantry keeps it relevant.
Khan Signal Arrow This was a good and needed improvement.
Thank you for reading.
The changes in the walls are slight that do not affect the games of average elo of the majority
Those of us who make proposals attach data and evidence, you only express your own personal taste
Not trying to start a fight, but what is data backed reasoning behind nerfing walls and palisades? Genuinely curious as I happen to be on the for-wall side of the wall argument
Delhi House of learning needs only 3 techs.
Honed blades “+2 melee” to ALL melee units (why there is such a critical tech that does NOT influence Elephants? The civ that should be centered around them?)
+5 resource carrying capacity
NEW TECH: (name it something cool and appropriate) when researched it works as built in efficient production. 
BOOM!! adjust speed as necessary. However the research time for this tech HAS to be very fast or it defeats the point (20-30s).
Benefits: all your veteran upgrades and elite upgrades become considerably faster. Your production effectively twice as cheap BEFORE housing a scholar (with a DOF scholar you get 4 times the standard production for the cost of 150w+90g).
This would give Delhi an exceptionally oppressive push time with hone blades and this new tech of build in efficient production. With the small eco buff to round the landmarl off.
My opinion is data. It is a data point of 1. 
From which I am extrapolating an estimate of agreement ranging approximately from 3% ~ 49%, with possible deviations beyond that!
I trust the Devs to take all their collected data points into account.
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In fact, e.g. I have a data set of 6 other colleagues to whom I mentioned, that in the forums there was an opinion that walls and keeps were too strong. I know, amazing, can you believe it? (I also conceded that it appears data shows this opinion was popular, and furthermore that the Devs apparently agreed. So congratulations.). But all 6 of these colleagues were aghast. (Worth noting all 6 and I first played AoE back in the 1900’s so we are not millennials watching twitch for what it is worth.)
Therefore the Devs should be alerted to the statistical fact that the opinion “walls are OP” ≠ 100%.
Thank you for contemplating my data.
Some of the proposals that I have supported have been taken into account and many have not. Sometimes I give drastic or exaggerated ideas to give visibility, but I know that developers take the middle ground.
Here, the fragment, listen to the opinion about the walls
yeah that’s true and professional scout gold price is to much no one used
no one use this anymore
Yep you are right!
Should be cheaper!
