I personally don’t care too much about what exact period a Civilisation represents and the developers have been pretty lose on that already, especially in AoM.
So I’m not saying that I would prefer the Chinese being based on 3 Kingdoms period over Bronze Age/Xia-Shang China.
AoM will likely mix very different time periods for the Chinese anyway.
And tbh. I would personally not be against a gunpowder civilisation if it’s done right, but I guess I’m a minority so it will likely never happen.
I personally very much hope they stick closer to ancient eras whatever the new civ is, we already have AOE2 and AOE4 covering the middle ages, AOE3 covering gunpowder and early modern.
The AOE1 depiction of ancient civs is so unspecific, AOM is really the only hope to see that era in more detail from an age of RTS perspective.
Yes, I think they will eventually bring the Japanese and the Indians into the game…
Yes, I think the same…for me it is 1st dlc (Chinese), 2nd dlc (Aztecs), 3rd dlc (Babylonians), 4th dlc (Celts), 5th dlc (Yoruba) and so on…
Yes, for me they are going to rework all of China…
Yeah, I feel like the Atlanteans could have faced the Olmecs at some point in the game## ####…
Yes, I wouldn’t worry too much… they can do it like the Indians in AoEO and then add gods like Ganesh or Vishnu that give you bonuses and powers related to elephants and villagers, but they would need to have experts in Hindu religion to do it well…
It seems strange to me, at what point in Chinese mythology do the Japanese appear? Will it be a remake of the Tang-Yamato War from AoE 1 DE?..
Yes, AoE3 even has campaign-exclusive civs (although they are just variants of the multiplayer civs)…
Of course, first they will look for information about the mythologies, then they will discuss how their gameplay would be and how they would face the other mythologies (balance issue), then they will design it entirely, test it and then when it is done they will announce it to see how the community takes it and finally launch it in the game… I think that for each mythology we will have one or two a year and let’s be thankful…
Yes, for me it exceeds 10-15k and already doubles AoE 3 (5-7k players for AoE 3) and will give a strong fight to AoE 4 or even AoE 2…
Of course, the thing is that if they release the remaster it is because they see potential in the game and obviously they are going to fill it with DLC to get the most out of it and show Microsoft that the saga is strong and that means more resources for the saga in general…
Yeah, something like Columbia from Bioshock Infinite or Usania from Iron Harvest…
Yeah, they’re not going to add that…simply because this is about classical mythologies from 3000 BC to 1500 AD…that is, civs that we already saw in AoE 1 and 2…
Play it when the Retold comes out…and yes, Indians have a fixed place in the game…something like the Indians in AoEO or the Sultanate of Delhi in AoE 4…
Yes, that will be another topic…
Yes, for me they will include mythologies like this on a large territorial scale and then the rest of the mythologies will be saved for AoM 2 in 2031…
Yes, Aztecs and Incas will be like those in AoE 3 and will only require adding mythic units to them…
According to the AoE wikia they are from the late Song period…
50? I would say 100 Musketeers, although 50 Musketeers and several Falconets could be 
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Yes, if AoM is super popular and they start to introduce a lot of mythologies, it can be complicated for the game balance…
Yes, all AoM civs had a strong rework with mythic techs… the Atlanteans are not even worth mentioning (Oracles and not Settlements generating favor) and the Chinese, I have no idea what they will be like, but it will surely be a very long list of changes that will make them unrecognizable (other UUs, other powers, other mechanics)…
Yes, they could even give them the architectures they have in AoE 4 so it doesn’t feel so “modern”…
Yes, that’s what they look like…
Yes, I agree, they can do half and half, port everything European, from AoM to AoE 3 and everything American, from AoE 3 to AoM…
It’s because they are in the same universe… since Arkantos’ armor appears as a treasure in AoE 3…
In AoEO the Norse and the Celts are easily distinguishable, that’s why I don’t see any problem with including the Celts in AoMR…
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Some historical reference will be included to provide greater context. We also know that although the Chinese campaign in TotD takes place at the same time as The Titans, the Chinese emperor is from 2600 BC…
Yes, you can put units from all over Central and Western Europe for example… and the heroes can be Viriatus, Vercingetorix (and Asterix and Obelix as reference heroes), Arminius, Boudica and so on until reaching Alaric and Ataulf…
I don’t think they will be called Yamato, since I think they will be like the Japanese ones from AoE 4, the Archaic units would be from the Yamato period (250-750 CE), the Classic ones from the Heian period (794-1185), the Heroic ones from the Kamakura period (1185-1333) and the Mythical ones from the Sengoku period (1467-1615)…
Yes, I think the Japanese campaign may be contemporary with the Romance of the Three Kingdoms (3rd century CE), the Tang-Yamato Wars (6th century) or the Gempei Wars (11th century)…
There isn’t much information about ancient East Asia either (at most we know about the Qin Dynasty from the Great Wall of China and the terracotta soldiers and about Yamato the facts that appear in AoE 1)
Yes, I think that as far as Europe is concerned it will only reach the Iron Age/Early Middle Ages (Greeks, Norse, Atlanteans and Celts)…in North Africa the Egyptians are from the Bronze Age, in Western Asia Babylonians will be a mix between the Bronze and Iron Ages)…then America varies if you add Olmecs/Mayans/Aztecs and Chavin/Huari/Incas…East Asia has Chinese from Shang to Song, Japan from Yayoi to the Sengoku period, Indians from the Indus Valley to the Delhi Sultanate and so on…
Yes, that’s true…but remember that Chinese mythology continued to exist for centuries until the arrival of Confucianism and Buddhism…
Yes, we don’t have to be picky about mythologies now, they can make mythologies that cover the entire period that they can, that is, for me, any mythology that existed between 3000 BCE and 1500 CE can easily enter the game…
Well you have AoEO too…
Bringing up Age of Empires Online makes my soul hurt
Yeah AoEO buildings just look so ugly.
Cartoony units are fine but buildings? Awful!
Good to know that. Since I don’t play/follow AoM, last time I saw people asking to add Indians to AoM in a social media was 2019 when AoE II : DE was launched and Indian people on the comment section didn’t like that proposal.
The source of my knowledge in Japanese myths are 2 anime only - Naruto and One Piece. Lol.
Would really love to learn more on that. So there are people that still worship Thor, Zeus, Prometheus, Ra and Amaterasu?
With the greatest of respects there are people who worship a Flying Spaghetti Monster so there are of course people who still worship Zeus et Al. Albeit not in particularly great numbers of organised manners.
Hmmm….Flying Spaghetti Monster pantheon…
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Anyone prefer a more lore centric civ like atlanteans?
The point of aom is MYTHology and I think it would be fun for another more mythlore/fantasy based civ.
Not sure what that would look like.
Just an iconic example here: Ise Jingu, the grand shrine for Amaterasu.
The wikipedia page:
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Technically yes, but I think not in any relevant sense. Egyptian, Greek and Norse mythologies do not have continuous traditions of belief from ancient times (or, for Norse, early medieval times) to now. It’s true that some Neopagans follow these mythologies in some sense, but many of them follow new religions that aren’t relevant to what’s being depicted in AoM. There are some who attempt to reconstruct past religions, but there’s no “official” or universally accepted reconstruction that AoM could be measured against.
This statement I find even more dubious. Wikipedia tells me that globally, there are only about 20,000 people following Heathenry – a modern religion based around Germanic/Norse paganism. I’d hardly describe that as “alive and well”, but even if the number was much higher, this is a new religion, not the same paganism practised by early medieval Norse people.
If I were a developer for AoMR, I’d be very wary of including mythologies that have significant numbers of believers and well-established traditions of belief. I’m not saying they shouldn’t include them at all, but with Japanese for example, I think Japanese people – including experts in the historical practice of Shinto – would have to be involved in the development process.
I think the biggest challenge with designing the Japanese will be that they have essentially 2 religions.
Do you only want to represent Shinto or do you also want to represent Buddhism?
If you also represent Buddhism what will be with other civilisations that only follow Buddhism?
If the Japanese civilization is included, it would be best to focus solely on Shinto. Shinto alone offers a wealth of lore and mythical creatures, making the inclusion of Buddhism somewhat unnecessary.
Also, Buddhism is practiced across many Asian countries, and it would be challenging to decide which nation should represent it. Combining different civilizations under Buddhism could lead to a mishmash that feels unsatisfying or even disrespectful, as it would mix distinct cultural military traditions simply because they share a common religion.
Buddhism will be challenging for multiple reasons.
The gods also only play a minor role in the religion so it would be kinda strange to base it around major gods.
It would be more logical to split them into the 3 major types of Buddhism instead but not sure if that would work in AoM. They all should get Buddha statues.
The situation of the Japanese mythology is obviously different from that of Heathenry. Numerically, Shinto is considered the largest religion in Japan.
I think Shinto essentially can be understood as a nature religion and kind of animism based on Japanese myths, having never been interrupted for thousands of years and forming part of Japanese traditional culture.
For example, the unquestionable legitimacy of Japan’s imperial family is based on their claim to be direct descendants of Amaterasu, and they don’t have a surname because of this.
It’s definitely good to have experts involved anyway.
It is not difficult at all to create a Japanese mythological civ without incorporating Buddhism.
From the creation myths to believable history period, Japan, like China, is full of suitable material for reference. Buddhism had not even been introduced yet.
I’m not sure if there is possible to create a civ directly based on Buddhist mythology, Buddhist cosmology and Buddhist deities and not represent any particular nation. Maybe it can be possible and that will absolutely be interesting. For example, in God of War, Mimir once shared a Buddhist stories when he is telling some foreign myths to Kratos and his son.
I can already see the developers adding Buddhist Temples as Wonders and basing the Japanese Temple in Buddhist temple designs.
Or even worse literally a great Buddha Statue as wonder.
Maybe they can make these Itsukushima Shrine, Ise Shrine, and Tsukiyomi Shrine as wonders.
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What about Romans? Everyone loves them. Or are they just renamed Greeks?
Their gods are mostly renamed Greeks, tho there are subtle differences. (Such as Hercules being a god for the Romans, while Herakles was a hero and demigod to the Greeks, but never a full blown god.)
Their buildings are different to Greek ones, but those differences are subtle if you don’t know where to look, since the Romans copied a lot of the architectural cues from the Greeks. (Archways and domes are a telltale sign. Romans used them a lot, where Greek architecture has straight lines in their place)
Their military would probably the most distinct from the Greeks, but with how Atlantean military units look like right now…
IDEAS for a potential Roman civ
Currently the Romans would likely be very unpopular since their pantheon would be pretty similar to the Greeks and their units too similar to the Atlanteans.
There are so many unique civilisations around the world that should be done first before going back to making civilisations like the Romans.
Romans are relatively low on popularity polls for AoMR currently.
This thread is more about guessing what will be next and not what we want to be next.
