Jeanne D'Arc should not be added. The direction AoE is going in is bad

[grizzgolf]

Alright thank you for filling me in! I have been a little confused! Thanks again!

[Adribird90]

The exaggeration of these claims is escalating to another level…

[KG19991380]

but he does have a point, also funny you point exaggeration out, being quite “familiar” with it yourself

[KnowingLamb8370]

Guys they removed the ayyubids :D:D:D:D

https://www.ageofempires.com/games/age-of-empires-iv/civilizations/jeanne-darc/

[KG19991380]

i’ll assume its only temporary, expecting an info dump within 24 hours

[MatM1996]

@TheAchronic

The expansion was exactly what we had asked for, 2 civilizations and 1 campaign. The addition of 4 variant civilizations which break the format of AoE is entirely unneeded and actively will worsen the game. There was no need for this.

I expected at least 2 more campaigns (for Ottomans and Delhi)…the variant civs is to say “hey, we put 6 civs in the dlc, which is not the case, because they would only be like AoE 3 revolutions”…

@StoneAgate0

Playing with these heroes can be incredible, we don’t know yet how it will work, but one thing I have to agree with, the developers have the courage to approach a new way of playing like this, they are not kidding when they say, something new!! In this I have to congratulate the developers for not being stuck with previous games!! Age of Empires 4 is becoming a unique game and that’s incredible!!

It wouldn’t be so unique either, it would be like playing with the heroes from AoE 3, but with more abilities to use… but yes, at least they are no longer stuck in the gameplay of AoE 2 and they start experimenting with new things… it’s the correct path to advance the saga…

@StoneAgate0

All the content creators who have tested this are finding it amazing. And this is evident, for me when I see these heroes and variant civilizations it makes me curious and I find it interesting. If those who tested the game thought it was incredible, it’s better to trust and wait and see, than to speculate, with people who haven’t even tested the game yet, and suffer in advance!!

@Fyrapan90

I love how all the people who disliking this are ignoring the only people who have actually tested it and they all say it’s a great addition to the game. But why listen to them or at least give the benefit of the doubt to the developers when you can continue to whine?

We’ll see…hopefully it’s as good as they say…the game needs to be revitalized…

@Fyrapan90

Change is scary but if done well in a few years this can be what we expect from future RTS titles so who knows? Let’s try it and if it doesn’t work then I’m sure the developers will find out and not do it again.

You must take some risks and sometimes it works and other times not so much. I’m just glad that they have the courage to try something new while keeping the core aspect of the game there.

Yes, I agree… also it is not something that cannot be changed later…

@DanDrix8391

Then the content creators started saying things like “biggest expansion”, “prepare to be even more hype”.
I now we know what’s coming, and my hype is … meh.

Yes, that’s what inflates the hype a lot…imagine that when they announced AoE 4 in 2017 I was very hyped about fighting in the world wars and seeing that they returned to the Middle Ages again, my hype was destroyed…

@DanDrix8391

They took a lot of risks, change the game too much and the game is not even close what AoE 2

@DanDrix8391

Imagine something like that in AoE2.
We have over 40 civs, and then one is totally different from the others. Level up a hero, skills and even ultimate.
It breaks the consistency, the core of the gameplay.

Good point…

@M00Z1LLA

Still not acceptable to base a civ around, but heroes have been an AoE thing for over a decade.

Yes, that’s why using heroes in multiplayer is nothing new, AoM has already done it since 2002…

Hero (Age of Mythology)

Hero (Age of Empires III)

@TaisharMalkierr

I am too old however, to be convinced Rpg in Aoe is an exciting innovation.

The thing is that AoE has been an RPG since 2005 (with AoEO it was even more so)…

@Veridamar

AoE 2 custom scenarios already have RPG scenarios in them, so RPG wouldn’t be a big new innovation for AoE games

Of course, in addition to the campaigns of the latest AoE 2 dlcs, the heroes increase their damage the more you use them in battle (Algirdas, Jadwiga, Devapala, Babur, Sargon and I could go on)…

@Shneider177

@M00Z1LLA Did you play aoe3? Bc if you did you would know this unit and its counter part was soooooooo broken and annoying to play against.

Do you know many times even at the high level where these units would seamlessly sneak into your secret places of your base and start spamming units at you, you didn’t anticipate and can reinforce as fast as you and USE to be able to produce and be a shipment point while on the freaking move???

You can kill him with heavy infantry…you just have to try not to let them get too close to your base…

@AndyPXIII

I’m legit confused how this Jeanne unit is significsntly different from any of the following units who already exist in this franchise: The Pharaoh in AoM’s Egyptians, the Explorer in AoE3’s various European civs, the Chief in AoEO’s Norse, the Primus Pilus in AoEO’s Romans, or the Scout in every AoEO civ.

Maybe it looks more like the first ones than the last…

@Shneider177

But growing in experience points? Choosing landmarks to decide which perks my hero gets and spamming units from my hero?? Personally I’m leary of it all, but i do NOT know until i know…

@LinkXLank

Well it goes through at least 3 levels of quite distinct differences, haven’t seen a peasant to warrior/archer and then horseman kinds of deal in any of the other games.

Well they want to make it more MOBA…we have to accept that the classic RTS are no longer so fun for the new generations…me and my second-cousin play AoE, but my brother and my younger cousin play LoL (although my brother I made him try AoE before installing LoL)…

@brubie99

A big appeal of AOE4 was in many ways it being similarish to AOE2 compared to all of the things in AOE3.

Yes, but the issue is that they cannot live off the gameplay of AoE 2 all the time (the idea is to advance the saga)… the devs want AoE 4 to be played by both classic RTS players (pre-WC3) like modern RTS (post-WC3 and SC2)… they also have to maintain a certain coherence of gameplay and evolution in the saga…

@Fyrapan90

That’s all anyone can do and hope for the best. I rather have developers who dare to try something new even if it turns out to be bad because this is how the RTS genre can continue to involve and be refreshing while introducing new players to an already unpopular genre in today’s gaming world.

Worst thing that can happen is these ideas for variant civilizations fail and they won’t do that for the next expansion.

Best outcome would be that this becomes a success and something they can continue to evolve over time while keeping the roots and core of what makes an age of empires game just that.

Exactly, I couldn’t have said it better…

@Helloss73

i’m already laughing when angry forumers will discover that Japan in aoe4 is going to use hero’s mechanics for their unique units

In other words, like their AoE 3 counterparts with the daymios and shogun…

@BeastlyGnuf

Since keeping to the basic spirit of a winning formula can be a positive thing, why introduce “civilizations” like “Jeanne D’Arc” and “Zhu Xi”?

It’s an even bigger and bizarre departure from ALL classic AoE titles than AoE3’s card system ever was.

That’s true…they don’t even respect the name of civilizations…they are simply heroes and military orders…now it’s Age of EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF…

@brubie99

Zhu xi

Zhu Xi did exist…was a Chinese calligrapher, historian, philosopher, poet, and politician during the Song dynasty. Zhu was influential in the development of Neo-Confucianism. He contributed greatly to Chinese philosophy and fundamentally reshaped the Chinese worldview.

@KnowingLamb8370

Guys they removed the ayyubids :D:D:D:D

The “Saladin” civ is coming xd…

[LinkXLank]

For it to be a MOBA, it would require a lot more and it had nothing to do with my comment. Having one hero unit among 200 other units doesn’t make it a MOBA.

[MatM1996]

True, the same was just saying…obviously AoE 4 will not become a MOBA because you have one hero among 200 units and also that there is base construction, which MOBAS do not have…

[SubotaiMGL]

@StoneAgate0

Heroes are not a problem for me, but yes, we will only know when we test!! This hero mechanic could be incredible, I’m curious, as it adds a new form of strategy, let’s see when more information comes out!!

For me the Hero is okay, but Joan of Ark is a civilization, and a hero that attacks is completely fictional.
Joan was never a king, Emir, Sultan, Khan, or emperor and she never fought in any battle, she never killed anyone. She was just an inspirational tool for the King to get his crown.
She really doesn’t deserve any of this.
She is just a pure propaganda.

Joan of Arc in 60 Seconds #shorts

[LuminousBat543]

Any large corporation like Sega and Microsoft know you do some market research before you build a dumpster fire in order to avoid losing player base… they assumed and now they don’t want to rename it because they have no budget to replace the civ.

[Acuto66]

Nah, “content creators” get paid to promote the game. Everyone knows this sucks, from the recycled content to the hero based gameplay to the awful civ names. They should just turn this junk into campaigns and make actual new civs.

[KnowingLamb8370]

Jeanne D’arc should have stayed in the campaign