[Just for Fun] What if we split every AoC civs?

Age of Empires II: DE II - Discussion
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After Viking Sagas was announced, I wonder how could we split every classic AoC civs.

In fact I don’t have a proper method because it is just for fun! Some civs is splitted to sub-etnicities like Celts, some civs is splitted to civs that share common cultural elements like Huns, some civs is splitted to neigbour civs like Byzantines and Azteks, some civs is splitted as mix of those methods like Chinese and I couldn’t split some civ. Here is my list;

Britons →

Byzantines → Serbs, Albanians

Celts → Scots, Irish

Chinese → Tibetians, Tanguts, Shatou, Xianbei, Dali

Franks → Occitans

Gots → Visigots, Vandals, Lombards

Japanese →

Mongols → Oirats

Persians → Kurds, Daylamites, Khwarezmians, Tajiks

Saracens → Andalusians, Moors, Egyptians, Masriqi, Yemeni

Teutons → Austrians, Swiss, Croats

Turks → Turcomans, Azerbaijanians

Vikings → Finns

Azteks → Purepecha, Mixtec, Zapotec

Huns → Alans, Avars, Huna

Koreans →

Mayans →

Spanish → Aragonese

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just wait a few more years, and the devs will have destroyed all the old civs anyways. this game has become a complete dumpster fire.

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I’d rather have Americans and Soviets as civs at this point than splitting every single AoK/AoC civ.

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Soviets would be splitted too one day. Russia, Ukrain, Kazakhistan…

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How could you miss welsh and brittany.

Japanese it could be the close by islands Ryukyu and ainu.

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Can I have Reworked Janky Koreans → Pre-Rework Well-Designed Koreans please?

Ryukyu?

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There are about 20 scrapted civs.

Japanese → Ryukyuans, Wokou

Ryukyuans wasn’t a major power. Wokou could be cool like Asian Vikings! However they didn’t have a certain Wokou culture as Vikings had.

Celts → Welch

Was Welch a major power? I’m not sure.

Britons → English

This would make Britons umbrella civ unnecessary. I don’t understand something also. Britons represent English people in the game, right? However Britons was Celtic. It doesn’t make sense.

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Koreans → Goguryeons

It sounds like 3K civs so I scrapted.

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A civi dosent need to be a major power.

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Maybe they need. Major powers are better civ candidate more than minors.

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Major is a subjective term how can we say who is major and who is minor in a historical sense? Are ingame scots/celts minor or major.

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We have Varangians now, so anything goes lol.

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Yeah, I don’t think civs for separate kingdoms like Goguryeo is a good direction to go in. That kind of granularity only really matters in a campaign, so I think a better solution would be improved modding tools – probably an in-built civ editor that integrates well with the scenario editor.

Plus both pre-rework and post-rework Koreans are based mostly on Joseon, at least in later ages with their unique units and Imperial unique tech – the difference is more a change of design principles than theme.

Britons represent both English and Welsh. I think the developers wanted a one-word name for the civ that would include both of them. In most of their original campaign appearances – William Wallace and Joan of Arc – Britons represent England and Wales, since these take place after England had conquered Wales. If I recall correctly, the William Wallace campaign specifically mentions “Welsh longbowmen” at some point. I think Britons only have one Welsh AI leader name, though (Henry Tudor).

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By compairing civs to other civs. How much did they shape history, how many stories do they have to tell us, how much military power did they have, their heroes, economy, cultural effects…

Yes, Scots/Celts are a major power.

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There was British civ in the alfa version of the game. Maybe British became Britons during the development.

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this is again very subjective to me,how did scotland or japan shape world history compared to mongols or turks/ottomans?

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this might just be a case of weird English grammar:

a person from Britain is never “a British”, the way they can be “a German” or “an Italian”. They are “a Briton” instead.

In that sense “British” and “Britons” can be synonymous, ie all Britons are British, and all British people are Britons. It’s just that “British” is the adjective form.

(and now i have semantic satiation for the word “British”…Brit-ish..Brittttish.)

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They usually like to use names that evoque old and medieval like Frank, Briton, Teuton instead of French, British and German, and avoid to use current names when possible (with some exceptions, like using more modern term Spanish instead of Iberians or Castillians) or using Goths and Celts as civ names for some reason

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The Franks were also once called “Frankish”.

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Everything is subjective in the life. There is no objective answer. One apple plus one apple makes two apples in maths. However in real life people tend to disscuss qualification of apples. Are apples small or big, sour or sweet, can we call that genetic modificated fruits as apple, how much apple DNA in it… It becomes complicated.

About your question, this is topic of history lessons not a tread that is open for fun. There is thousands of books about how did x civ shaped the history. You can read, compare and decide major or minor powers that shaped the history.