Question, am I forcing everyone not to buy the DLC? I ask because I wrote it as a suggestion and argued that buying it is a terrible idea.
If Microsoft wanted to stop funding the game, because they don’t want to invest in fixing it, then so be it, that scenario is better than the alternative.
No, it’s not complicated. We don’t owe anything to Microsoft or the developers, I feel sorry for them, but things are what they are, buying the DLC is allowing them to treat us like garbage and that ends up killing a community.
You want to buy it, do it, but then when we get to the same result that you proposed, but worse, I don’t want to read complaints about how there is no communication, patches with improvements in the quality of life or requests of any kind, because the only reason they would listen to us is for money and you already guaranteed it to them without having to work hard for it.
It is natural for support to slow down as the years go by, so expecting monthly patches like the game just came out is unrealistic. 3DE just turned 4 years old. Now, granted, this doesn’t justify how this past year has played out. Speaking for myself, I’d be content if we got two or three patches per year and a DLC drop here and there. However, I’ve come to the harsh conclusion the game will never reach its potential for various reasons.
I’m more upset about the corpo speak, lies, and placation than anything. They should be utterly embarrassed by the way in which the DLC was announced and the fact they knew from the very beginning the late 2024 deadline was impossible to hit. This speaks to carelessness, a lack of leadership, and piss poor project management. And I don’t know why 3DE is singled out here.
Or maybe it is simply because the teams are stretched too thin. Who knows at this point? 2DE hasn’t gotten a “proper” DLC since 2023.
The player numbers are quite healthy and the enthusiasm for more content is still there. The positive steam reviews increase almost every other day.
It really seems like you’d be singing a different tune if these civs were ones you wanted. You said early on you weren’t buying this DLC for that very reason and now you’re on a crusade about boycotting the DLC to make a stand. You’re also constantly suggesting the DLC should be canceled while still pushing for more patches and DLC (as long as it includes civs you personally desire)
I don’t know how things can improve, but I know that confronting apathy with more apathy leads nowhere. Boycotting a DLC with a playerbase like ours will do nothing but hurt us in the end. I get where you’re coming from but I’m dubious of its effectiveness. While things haven’t improved I’d rather continue to fight. Riots may not get the results we want but at the same time at least it shows WE that we care about the game and haven’t given up on it.
Read the post I quoted. Obviously, the October data patch was rushed out. If they took their time with it then I see no reason to believe it wouldn’t be of the quality of previous patches. This is on WE, not the devs.
2-3 patches a year is the best-case scenario imo. Realistically. Monthly patches for a 4-year-old remaster of a game are not.
Last sentence : “And I don’t know why 3DE is singled out here”
WE has put in a lot of effort to save AoE1DE from Redbull to RoR. All for a game that had less than 2800 players upon release.
To add to what was said @StoreyedPlate74, he made an, at least metaphorical reference to “Denmark getting rich from shipments” and said something that lead to a lot of people speculating Poland might train cavalry in something resembling a Chinese Banner Army.
I’m choosing to assume he brought up the history he did intentionally, though he could have simply been referencing things he found interesting. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
If anyone is curious, his comments are from here (he talks about it just after the 2hr mark):
He references Poland’s cavalry banners and ethnic diversity indicating they might have something similar to Chinese or Russian batch training of cavalry. This graphic gives an idea of the different ethnic components:
I agree, a boycott would do nothing but help them finally ditch aoe3. However, it kinda feels like we are here in an abusive relation with WE and by giving my money to a company that treats this game and its community like this I can’t help felling humiliated.
I’ll be honest - let me disagree with you! Did you feel humiliated after closed the Ensemble Studios? I’m sure that yes! It was abusive and unexpected. The differences are that WE or FE still not closed!
I don’t see why it was abusive. It was sudden and swift, unlike the agony of the past 2-3 years without any communication. I would also say to some extent expected after how part of the aoe community received the game, as well as the general decline of RTS in the early 2000s.
And Ensemble Studios loved aoe3. Just take a look at how former devs like Sandy Petersen speak about the game. The only exception may have been Bruce Shelley, and even his infamous interview was still ambiguous. You can’t simple compare that to how WE treats this game. It simply feels wrong to give money to a company that treats the game you love with this contempt.
Yes, a Chronicles DLC for 3DE would be interesting… I don’t think they would go to Antiquity like BfG, but they could focus on the Pike and Shot era (1530-1630) or the Victorian era (1837-1901)…
Yes, under these conditions, we cannot afford to boycott the Baltic DLC… VaV had a lot of criticism in last March and then they did a survey and gave us BfG in last November… you boycott AoE 3 for one DLC and forget about them giving us another DLC again (which means no Persia, no Korea, no Burma, no Siam, no new federal or native civs in America)…
If they were able to get Capture Age into AoM, I guess they must have learned something from the Bang engine, but it wouldn’t hurt if the FE team at Retold taught them some programming in the engine, so FE can take care of the new civs and Capture Age of the campaigns… let’s see how Immortal Pillars turns out to see what new campaigns for 3DE outside of the historical battles could be like…
Yes, the DLC can be released and taking advantage of the positive reviews, you can criticize that they could give more communication, which is what is missing…
Sí,en definitiva:
Dinamarca:civ centrada en lo naval económico como Holanda y con la carta real de la Casa de Oldemburgo (lo cual agrega todo eso a la civ danesa)…por ahí podríamos ver referencias vikingas,como que la infantería danesa genera monedas de destruir edificios…
Polonia:civ centrada en caballería similar a Rusia con los cosacos o Alemania con los ulhanos…
Mapas/batallas históricas basadas en los conflictos balticos del período (desde las Guerras sueco-danesas desde 1470 a 1680 hasta las guerras dano-prusianas (1848-1864) (aunque eso ultimo podría simplemente ser un mapa de “unificacion alemana” (1848-1871)…
Sure, 3 DE was kind of abandoned because the team moved to Retold in 2022 and focused on making new DLCs (I’m not complaining because I bought Retold on New Year’s Eve), but I’m sure that since there are few devs, they can’t keep up with both games and have to split into 2 teams (one focuses on the Chinese AoM DLC and the other on the Baltic DLC for 3 DE) while Capture Age takes care of the Chronicles DLC for 2 DE…
You can always ask Tilanus and the rest of the 3DE/Retold team for advice…
Yes, it’s like they put everything on the grill in 2021 (USA, TAR and Mexico) and then in 2022 (KotM) and nothing else from there… 2023 and 2024 passed and the game was left there in limbo (obviously due to the development of Retold, which is understandable)… it’s like the other way around in 2003 when after The Titans came out, Ensemble abandoned AoM and only focused on AoE 3 until 2007…
Yes, although 1 DE is logical to be saved, since it is the origin of the saga and it is kind of sad to leave it abandoned when its original version is popular in Vietnam…
It wouldn’t be bad… it would be like the Chinese Banner or Russian armies that are created in specialized batches, but with the Poles, like the “Sobieski army” in the Industrial Age (creates 15 Winged Hussars and 5 settlers) for 2000 food and 2000 coins…
Yes, interesting, I was thinking the same thing, it would be something like this:
In the cavalry, from the second half of the 15th century until the first half of the 18th century, a Chorągiew was formed according to the “companion system” (system zaciągu towarzyskiego). See: Towarzysz (companion).
Types of Chorągiew were:
Chorągiew husarska (Hussar banner), formed by Hussars (Winged Hussar Sobieski Army).
Chorągiew lekka (“Light” banner), formed by light-cavalry (Cavalry Archer Army).
Chorągiew pancerna (“Armoured” banner), formed by Pancerni (Pancerni War Wagons like Napoleonic Era mod).
Chorągiew tatarska (Tatar banner), formed by Tatars (Lipka Tatar Army).
Chorągiew wołoska (Vlach banner), light cavalry, not only formed by Vlachs (Boyar Army).
Chorągiew kozacka (Cossack banner), light cavalry, not only formed by Cossacks (Cossack Army).
The Cavalry Archers and the Cossacks would be used by the Poles too…
Typical family/village clans of the Chorągiew Rodowa who provided men for battles consisting of approximately 100 men were:
Topór, Dołęga and Gryf special banners:
Topór (literally “Axe”) (Axeman Army like Egyptian Axeman from AoM)
Dołęga (literally “To Bows”) (Archer Army)
Gryf (literally “Griffin”) (that because the House of Griffin,Dukes of Pomerania) (maybe would have Saxon Curaissiers)…
Yes, and it wasn’t that bad… Ensemble closed in 2009 after Halo Wars due to the 2008 crisis and MS was no longer interested in RTS and was more interested in shooters like Halo and Gears… even so, Ensemble closed for a month and then was reopened as Robot Entertainment (which released AoEO in 2011 and then simply focused on the Orks Must Die saga until today)… the devs left the saga, but followed other paths…
Yes, that’s probably why they delayed the DLC, to release it along with the Xbox version in 2025 (for the 20th anniversary of the original game)…
“Advice” wont help The community wants content or good content? Hardly a team with no AOE3 knowledge can nail it in a semester just because they did a good job in another game of the series that is very diferent than AOE3.
