Let's talk about Civ representation from Sub-Saharan Africa and Oceania

A deployable Drakkar that can train Vikings is a good idea, maybe even as a resource drop-off point, to put a visual mechanic to raiding.
It was not always just stealing, often they would actually mine and lumber, so they could process these into goods, back in Scandinavia.

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Vikings didnt just dissapear when the Viking age ended. The warrior spirit was very much still there in the early times of christianity. I dont see a problem with that. The same way I dont see a problem with other civs in the game having inappropriate tech. It’s just a game. Civs in this game have to be somewhat balanced and that would also not be historically acurate. As I said before there are other games you can play if you want 100% historical accuracy like Europa Universalis or Crusader Kings.

What are you talking about? What are these claims that you make based upon? Video games? Movies? Because there is no historic basis for what you are saying.

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There is a good case for African civs: Ethiopians, Somalis, Mali Empire, Ghana Empire, Kanem Empire, Makuria, Oyo, Ashanti, Berbers, Mamluks etc.

But the Tonga Empire was simply a collection of tribes and chiefdoms. It fits AOE3 much more.

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But this would be historically inaccurate for no reason?? Vikings DID disappear, Danes however did not – we are still here to this day. You could even portray this shift in national focus from raiding/exploring/trading into becoming a Christian kingdom that went on crusades in the name of the pope, through interesting game design.

This would allow the game to capture what actually make our culture unique and fascinating, rather than just keep on portraying the same pop culture fantasy over and over again.

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Ever heard about the crusades in finland and the baltics in general? Maybe you should do some more research if you have not heard about it.

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I have but what do they have to do with your so-called warrior spirit or Vikings?

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Ok I get it you want a Danish civ I have no problem with that but I would want a VIking civ first tho for obvious reasons.

Read some books by famous historians and you might get what I mean.

You are just spewing out random things without actually answering any questions. You really are hopeless.

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Im done answering your questions. IF you have something relevant to say do it but stop asking me questions.

famous historians tend to say than vikings were most of the time acting like raiders, and attacking weak targets. (like monestaries, villages, etc…) , with some exception.

the fierce scandinavian warriors were the professional soldiers, like for most of the civilizations. So the ones which went in military expeditions with their kings and leaders, so not the vikings, but the army.

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Its not about having a Danish civ, its about having a civ that represents the culture and history of this region throughout the entire period, not just a parts of it. What we are proposing would actually allow the game to explore new grounds rather than just re-treading the same fantasy over and over again.

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yeah you are talking about the Viking army the ones that were mostly responsible for giving Vikings a bad name would have been the berserkers

It’s more fun having a VIking civ than just a generic Danish civ.

most of the sources we have about berserkers are the mythical saga lol. And in games they are always represented as fantasy cliché.

Actually a danish, swedish, or norway civ, had vikings, it’s the thing you seem to not understand.

Never heard about Harald Hardrada king of Norway ? his nickname was “The Last Viking”.
He got his experience from being a professional soldier, and a varangian guard, not a pirate.

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I understand that you are trying to change peoples perception of the word Viking, I understand it very well

I guess it is fine if what you want is an ahistorical copy paste of the soldiers with horned helmets that we have seen a 1000 times before. I would prefer something new and interesting and more nuanced, but to each their own I suppose.

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yeah personally I prefer having the perception of the word Vikings from the cultures which really had vikings, than the perception from foreigners which didn’t have vikings and hollywood :wink:

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Vikings were not warriors, they were pirates. They struck vulnerable targets and fled before any retaliation. In most encounters they were actually forced to fight a proper military, they usually lost.
They only brough enough equipment and ammunition to raid lightly guarded coastal and river towns and abbeys, not to actually fight a proper army.

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